If nature/reality/time is considered cyclical..

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If nature/reality/time is considered cyclical..

Postby curiosity » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:18 am

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Re: If nature/reality/time is considered cyclical..

Postby Mkoll » Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:27 am

Dear curiosity,

I don't recall the Buddha ever saying that nature/reality/time is considered "cyclical".

How do you define "cyclical"?

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When this is, that is.
From the arising of this comes the arising of that.
When this isn't, that isn't.
From the cessation of this comes the cessation of that.
-SN 12.61

Ex nihilo nihil fit.

Peace,
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Re: If nature/reality/time is considered cyclical..

Postby manas » Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:49 am

curiosity wrote:How is it that one does not ever return from Nirvana to the other stages?

Does this not breach the intrinsic nature of cyclicality?


Hi curiousity,

One who has attained to the ending of craving is 'untraceable even in the here-and-now', so we certainly cannot define them after they have passed away. We are getting past what words can adequately describe here.

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Re: If nature/reality/time is considered cyclical..

Postby Goofaholix » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:34 am

curiosity wrote:How is it that one does not ever return from Nirvana to the other stages?

Does this not breach the intrinsic nature of cyclicality?


Because Nibbana is the only thing that breaks the cycle of samsara, that's the point, and one of the reasons why it's worth pursuing.
"Whenever we feel that we are definitely right, so much so that we refuse to open up to anything or anybody else, right there we are wrong. It becomes wrong view. When suffering arises, where does it arise from? The cause is wrong view, the fruit of that being suffering. If it was right view it wouldn't cause suffering." - Ajahn Chah
"Remember you dont meditate to get anything, but to get rid of things. We do it, not with desire, but with letting go. If you want anything, you wont find it." - Ajahn Chah
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Re: If nature/reality/time is considered cyclical..

Postby walkart » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:54 am

curiosity wrote:How is it that one does not ever return from Nirvana to the other stages?

Does this not breach the intrinsic nature of cyclicality?

There is cycles, but its not mean that all will repaet in exactly the same way.
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Re: If nature/reality/time is considered cyclical..

Postby Spiny Norman » Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:53 pm

Goofaholix wrote:Because Nibbana is the only thing that breaks the cycle of samsara, that's the point, and one of the reasons why it's worth pursuing.


Yes, that's how I understand it.
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Re: If nature/reality/time is considered cyclical..

Postby kitztack » Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:04 pm

Goofaholix wrote:
Because Nibbana is the only thing that breaks the cycle of samsara, that's the point, and one of the reasons why it's worth pursuing.


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Aflame with the fire of passion, the fire of aversion, the fire of delusion.
Aflame, with birth, aging & death, with sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, & despairs ......

Seeing thus, the disciple of the Noble One grows disenchanted. SN 35.28
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Re: If nature/reality/time is considered cyclical..

Postby clw_uk » Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:43 am

curiosity wrote:How is it that one does not ever return from Nirvana to the other stages?

Does this not breach the intrinsic nature of cyclicality?


Only if you make the error of making nibbana into some kind of metaphysical crystal palace thats out there and that its a destination that we reach


How do you understand Nibbana?
Open your mind and see, open your mind and rise. Shine the light of wisdom and see, don't wait till the end of time.
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