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Re: Another "Moin"

Postby Pannapetar » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:33 am

Hi acinteyyo,

You are right. Career and work entail dukkha, marriage and family entail dukkha, single life entails dukkha, and -guess what- monastic life also entails dukkha. Some think that monastic life is free of dukkha, or at least easier, but that's an illusion. What monastic life does is that it puts you (hopefully) in a better position to deal with dukkha.

It is important to understand that you cannot escape dukkha, no matter what you do. There is no running away from dukkha. But you can learn to avoid unnecessary dukkha and learn to manage the unavoidable part skilfully. You don't need to become a monk in order to do that.

While the avoidance of dukkha is skilful in some situations, one must realise that it makes a very poor life goal. If the supreme goal in life is the avoidance of dukkha, that's a bit like dodging life itself. I would not recommend this approach. Instead, follow the path that you recognise to be of true value.

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Re: Another "Moin"

Postby acinteyyo » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:11 am

Pannapetar wrote:Hi acinteyyo,
You are right. Career and work entail dukkha, marriage and family entail dukkha, single life entails dukkha, and -guess what- monastic life also entails dukkha. Some think that monastic life is free of dukkha, or at least easier, but that's an illusion. What monastic life does is that it puts you (hopefully) in a better position to deal with dukkha.
It is important to understand that you cannot escape dukkha, no matter what you do. There is no running away from dukkha. But you can learn to avoid unnecessary dukkha and learn to manage the unavoidable part skilfully. You don't need to become a monk in order to do that.
While the avoidance of dukkha is skilful in some situations, one must realise that it makes a very poor life goal. If the supreme goal in life is the avoidance of dukkha, that's a bit like dodging life itself. I would not recommend this approach. Instead, follow the path that you recognise to be of true value.
Cheers, Thomas

Thank you for your answer Thomas! I did not say anything about becoming a monk. But the advantage of monastic life, as I see it, is that a lot of worldly hindrances related to a worldly life can be easily reduced. The one who still lives a "normal" life can only reduce hindrances hardly to a certain level, beyond that normal live becomes impossible and following the path becomes impossible, too. One should think about that. That's why I said:
acinteyyo wrote:I think I'm going to manage this circumstances and reduce my "involvement" concerning the wordly life

Pannapetar wrote:It is important to understand that you cannot escape dukkha, no matter what you do.

You're not serious aren't you? Take a look at my signature. I wouldn't do anything if there wouldn't be a way out. But you're right in case of "self". If someone "is someone" and thinks "I am" then there is no escape from dukkha for him/her until things are seen as they are.

best whishes, acinteyyo
Pubbe cāhaṃ bhikkhave, etarahi ca dukkhañceva paññāpemi, dukkhassa ca nirodhaṃ. (M.22)
Both formerly, monks, and now, it is just suffering that I make known and the ending of suffering.
Pathabyā ekarajjena, saggassa gamanena vā sabbalokādhipaccena, sotāpattiphalaṃ varaṃ. (Dhp 178)
Sole dominion over the earth, going to heaven or lordship over all worlds: the fruit of stream-entry excels them.

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Re: Another "Moin"

Postby acinteyyo » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:19 am

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings acinteyyo,
My advice would be, in those circumstances, to ensure you steer clear of anything which could complicate any future interest in the monastic life such as engagement, marriage, children, combined purchases/investments of a significant scale.
Metta,
Retro. :)

Hi retro,
sounds good to me! ;)
Pubbe cāhaṃ bhikkhave, etarahi ca dukkhañceva paññāpemi, dukkhassa ca nirodhaṃ. (M.22)
Both formerly, monks, and now, it is just suffering that I make known and the ending of suffering.
Pathabyā ekarajjena, saggassa gamanena vā sabbalokādhipaccena, sotāpattiphalaṃ varaṃ. (Dhp 178)
Sole dominion over the earth, going to heaven or lordship over all worlds: the fruit of stream-entry excels them.

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Re: Another "Moin"

Postby Pannapetar » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:18 am

acinteyyo wrote:You're not serious aren't you?


Maybe it's the wording: You cannot escape dukkha, but you can defeat it.

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Re: Another "Moin"

Postby acinteyyo » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:33 am

Pannapetar wrote:You cannot escape dukkha, but you can defeat it.


I don't get it.
Pubbe cāhaṃ bhikkhave, etarahi ca dukkhañceva paññāpemi, dukkhassa ca nirodhaṃ. (M.22)
Both formerly, monks, and now, it is just suffering that I make known and the ending of suffering.
Pathabyā ekarajjena, saggassa gamanena vā sabbalokādhipaccena, sotāpattiphalaṃ varaṃ. (Dhp 178)
Sole dominion over the earth, going to heaven or lordship over all worlds: the fruit of stream-entry excels them.

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Re: Another "Moin"

Postby Thaibebop » Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:05 pm

Guten Tag! Herzlich willkommen! Mein Name ist Shaun.

Sorry, I just completed my first semester of Deutsch and am enjoying opportunities to practice. Hope you enjoy it here! :hello:
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