Violence in order to do good for someone in the long-run?

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Violence in order to do good for someone in the long-run?

Postby Jon. S » Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:16 pm

A friend and I were discussing whether it's correct to inflict violence upon someone if it benefits them in the long-run, and his argument was that the Buddha explicitly taught non-violence. Of course, I disagree, but I can't seem to find any references in the cannon to support my argument. What do you all think? Is there any sutta that addresses this issue? It seems to me something more like the Mahayana idea of "skillful means", Upaya.
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I get an answer.

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Postby Cittasanto » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:50 am

The two that sprung to mind have been shared :) but maybe this quote (cant remember who by) would be useful?

who are we to judge when violence is necessary?


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby StandBright » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:13 pm

An common situation: Self-defense and defense of other sentient beings

I have unfortunately been in the situation where I struck one human in order to prevent her from not just striking, but possibly killing, another human.

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