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Being turned down from ordination

Postby Dhammakid » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:40 am

Hello all,
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How often does it happen where an aspiring initiate is turned away from pursuing ordination? And I don't mean because they did some particular behavior or something like that, but for the reason of space or strain on the lay community or simply because the abbot doesn't feel they're ready yet for some reason?

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Re: Being turned down from ordination

Postby appicchato » Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:05 am

From my experience, in Thailand, rarely...if ever...

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Re: Being turned down from ordination

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:18 am

Greetings bhante,

Could the prospective bhikkhu's "fit" or "alignment" with the teachings of the abbot or senior monks have any bearing on procedings? (e.g. City vs Forest, Commentarial approach vs Sutta apprach vs Abhidhamma approach).

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Re: Being turned down from ordination

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:41 am

Hi All
the PDF I posted on the other ordination thread covers this aslo!

I believe if one monestary is full of monks but need lay people they take on aspirants, but would send them to another monestary closer to the time they would ordain if space is still not available? obviously in the west though!


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Re: Being turned down from ordination

Postby Dhammakid » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:17 pm

So it looks like it's dependent on space, strain on laity and perception of ability to practice. And it's probably more common in the States than overseas.

What do you think for a monastery like Abhayagiri or Bhavana Society? Any differences or special variations?

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Re: Being turned down from ordination

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Being turned down from ordination

Postby jcsuperstar » Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:37 am

Abhayagiri has a waiting list, years long if i remember correctly. im not sure about the other place.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Being turned down from ordination

Postby Dhammakid » Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:13 pm

Thanks Manapa, it's greatly appreciated!

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