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The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

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The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Postby Goob » Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:16 pm

An article on and interview with the Burmese monk refered to as the 'Burmese Bin Laden' on political violence in Burma. Scary stuff.

http://www.vice.com/read/burmese-bin-la ... a-good-guy

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Postby cooran » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:18 pm

Also, see this Petition started by Blackbird six months ago:
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=17879&p=253469

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Postby Mkoll » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:37 pm

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Postby culaavuso » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:56 pm

Does anyone know what, if anything, has been done in line with the Vinaya in response to U Wirathu's public speeches? As I understand it from reading it seems that many of his statements which incite hatefulness in the population would be included under the Pacittiya rules such as Pc 2, Pc 3, Pc 54. There seems to be a procedure available for bhikkhus to admonish someone who has committed these offenses.


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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Postby chownah » Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:05 am

So far I have not seen transcripts of any of his talks so how can I possibly know that what he is saying is what people say he is saying?
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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Postby purple planet » Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:42 am

Please send merit to my dog named Mika who has passed away - thanks in advance

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Postby purple planet » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:20 am

no sorry i cant - i am not sure if its ok with TOS for me to say stuff like this myself - but if his words can be brought to this forum and be criticized - the minimum that i expect to be ok to do is to show support for at least this monk - even though i dont know if monks should have anything to do with politics - but i know that monks all the time deal in politics some of them are even highly respected monks - so if they can say there truth then this monk is allowed to say his truth - i understand its not ok to criticize other religons in this forum - but its also not ok to go and criticize those people who do

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Postby Dan74 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:13 am

I think it's important to disentangle fact from assumption here: where are the facts about the Muslim aggression and threat against Myanmar?
_/|\_

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Postby Goob » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:53 am


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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Postby Mkoll » Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:37 am

Thanks for SN 35.88, culaavuso. That's only the second or third time I've read that sutta. It's similar to Ven. Sariputta's advice in AN 5.162 although each takes a different approach.

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Postby Modus.Ponens » Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:27 pm

I think it's more important to first focus on the real core of the issue: did he commit a parajika?

If he did, he is no longer a monk, even though he wears the robes. If he didn't, calling him the burmese Bin Laden is an absurd exageration.

I don't usualy follow the conflict, so can someone clarify if he did commit a parajika?
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Postby BlackBird » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:02 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Postby purple planet » Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:19 am

ok just to clearify - because i was told im "vague" "back pedalling" and "bla bla blaing"

so :

1 . i dont support everything the monk says and does - so i was un-clear wrriten what i wrote - i support the words the monk said in the quote - and i do think that monks should stay out of politics

2 . yes i dont "like" islam and the fact that im from israel (which was suggested as if im hiding the fact - people are affected by where they live - people from the uk tend to be very anti-israel in there political issues - but i never would have tryed to imply to someone who lives in the uk that his views are not valid or biased because his from there because everyone is biased even if they dont know it ) - just makes me know him better - but i dont like islam - i like muslims i dont like the concept - and like the people

3 . i don think its ok to debate this issue in a forum which is censoring bad talking about religon - because its like a boxing match with one contestant with his hands tide

4 . i understand why its not ok to talk bad about other religons - but it dosnt seem fair to talk about this conflicts which clearly have religon at there core -

so again i understand the censoring (not fully agree with it - but i partly do) - it bothered me to see threads that talk against people who talk against islam while there is the censoring - i dont really know the situation fully in burma
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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Postby Goob » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:04 pm

Purple Planet: My friend, by saying "i support the words the monk said in the quote" and "like I said it myself" you are in fact saying that you think that muslim minority groups fabricate stories of abuse and discrimination in order to gain international support and they are in fact advocating a violent state take-over (never mind how completely impossible that would be).

You are most likely applying your own (extremely biased) perception of your own political situation to Burma (which is bad enough) and in fact condoning a potential genocide in a country to which you admitted to knowing absolutely nothing about. Have a think about that won't you..

Also, please tell me how all that relates to how you dislike "Islam" but "like muslims" and how you separate the two.

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Postby purple planet » Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:49 pm

Fine - if its still not clear - I dont know much about burma (but saying this i would appreciate if others would modest about their knowledge too - i did do some reading about the situation ) - so i dont support the monk - i did a bad decision of words - not against him either !

i support the quote of his - thats it - anything i said before i apologize for being unclear im not being unclear on-purpose - i meant to write i support his quote

islam = concept muslims = people who were burn to a world where this concept is and those "muslims" who try to oppose this concept and risk there lives to oppose it and change its meaning - have a much harder time doing so when people in the peaceful west give support to this concept just so they can seem "open minded" and tolerating people when those who get hurt by that are the muslims themselves

to change muslims you dont have to kill them - you dont even have to use propaganda ( which i support but you dont have too) the important thing is to say the truth about the concept and not support that concept just to feel morally superior

i believe we should say the truth about the concept of islam - i fully accpet the desicion not to bad mouth other religons in this forum this desicion has a good reason - but it does bother me that from here and there someone comments as if does who talk against islam are wrong - and i want to balance things out by saying that I PP am opposed to islam - without getting in to detail and that i think that people who attack those who criticize islam are doing something wrong

we are all biased i think western media is pro-islam (and this includes the lame israeli media too)

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Postby purple planet » Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:11 pm

As someone who used to be addicted to news ( ! used to! thanks to improvement in my practice ) and read at least one written newspaper a day - and spent at least 1 hour reading news websites - at least ! and seen how the media distorts the little detail - and hides the little detail - those who make the difference that why i know think the media is pro-islam - it has come to the point that whenever you hear 1% of the bad stuff about muslim violence you think its hate when actually its just 1%
for instance i think that the BBC and CNN and absurdly also Israel-news are much more pro-islam then al-jazira - because everyone is so used to hearing pro-islam side whenever something is reported against it even if its facts - everybody assumes that the media is balanced and that they hear the whole story - when they actually hear a pro-islam concept

i do admit that commenting here was probably mixed with ill-will - i still support the quote very strongly - but i guess i shouldn't intervene in something i dont know enough about and i would like others to do the same just in case im right and the media is distorting whatever information we get from burma and we will actually support violence instead of reducing it

i will read your posts if you would like to post again i will just not respond - cause im not the elegant writer and i probably am doing miss- service to my views - just know that i really am a confused young man in all aspects of life especially the dhamma - but as far as media and islam i think my views are built on years of seeing small details get distorted to one side

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Re: The Buddhist 'Burmese Bin Laden'

Postby purple planet » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:06 am

OK - i apologize - i guess i shouldnt put my thoughts on islam make me think i know whats happening in ALL of the world

and the fact that things work some way here in israel and in other middle eastern countrys dosnt mean it have to be that way in other places

and to support a quote i need to know the whole story - so i take all i said about supporting the quote and apologize for the bad feelings i made -

I have a feeling that the story isnt balanced - BUT i guess its not my job to balance things out in the price of a chance to be wrong


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