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Ordained & the social networking services

Postby mirco » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:50 am

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Dhamma Greetings All,


recently, I stumbled upon these thoughts:

Due to the Vinaya,
Bhikkhunis and Bhikkhus are only allowed to take what is offered to them.

But neither the accounts at social networking services
or like at boards like dhammawheel, nor the service itself
have been offered to the Bhikkhus and Bhikkhunis.

What do you think?




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Re: Ordained & the social networking services

Postby SarathW » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:07 pm

Hi Micro

I can’t see any problems.
Buddha also had a board. He had two of his main desiple (CEO and MD)
Then anyone enter the order has to take ten precepts (signing up)
They also had a code of conduct (Vinaya rules)
Buddha never asked monks not to use paper or electronic media to spread Dhamma.
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Re: Ordained & the social networking services

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Re: Ordained & the social networking services

Postby gavesako » Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:18 pm

If you mean that these companies offer the free social networking service in exchange for advertising that is displayed on the side and most users will be influenced in their purchases by it, then yes: bhikkhus who don't use money to purchase things themselves will not do their part of the deal (and I have AdBlock installed anyway).
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Re: Ordained & the social networking services

Postby mirco » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:22 pm

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"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Re: Ordained & the social networking services

Postby binocular » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:26 pm

Are monks allowed to drink water from a river or public fountain?

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Re: Ordained & the social networking services

Postby Mkoll » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:25 pm

My observations are that monks follow the Vinaya to different degrees of strictness based on context such as interpretation of the Vinaya and teacher(s).

I'm quite sure that one could interpret the Vinaya as allowing the use of social networking.

It seems to me that you have a bone to pick with the ordained based on your previous posts. Why is this so?

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Re: Ordained & the social networking services

Postby mirco » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:40 pm

"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Re: Ordained & the social networking services

Postby mirco » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:43 pm

"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Re: Ordained & the social networking services

Postby mirco » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:51 pm

"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Re: Ordained & the social networking services

Postby Mkoll » Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:21 pm

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
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Re: Ordained & the social networking services

Postby mirco » Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:48 pm

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Re: Ordained & the social networking services

Postby Mkoll » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:51 pm

:heart:

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Re: Ordained & the social networking services

Postby binocular » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:55 am

^ ^
Awww!


:focus:

If monks are allowed to drink water from public sources of water, and this is not considered stealing, then this is an example of monks being allowed to take what has not been specifically offered to them personally, but which is generally available.

So some free internet services would seem to fall into this same category.

Of course, since the use of the internet isn't in the same category of necessity as drinking water, this point may well be moot.

I think the bigger issue here may be how people, including monks, use, or abuse, such generally available services.

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Re: Ordained & the social networking services

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:14 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Ordained & the social networking services

Postby mirco » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:27 am

"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Re: Ordained & the social networking services

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Re: Ordained & the social networking services

Postby Anagarika » Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:50 pm

I feel that the Vinaya and precepts are sacrosanct, but that they're not intended to be ordinances by which laws are enforced, or commandments that result in "sin" accruing to the monk or layperson. Rather, they have much to do with the intention and ethics of the person taking the precepts. So when we question whether a Bhukkhu/Bhikkhuni violates the monastic precepts by signing up for a Facebook account and using FB to teach Dhamma and be in contact with students, we can understand that the intention is pure and skillful, and speculation about Vinaya interpretations is, to me, not that relevant. Picking fruit off of the forest floor? Why not? It's not offered, but it is there to either be eaten, or to rot. How could a monk taking this fruit not be acting skillfully?

Part of the beauty of the Buddha's precepts is the idea that it is our own sila and kamma that guides us in making these decisions and actions. Each of us have to be the ethical lamp that guides us, and save for serious monastic offenses, we shouldn't be too ready to split hairs as to whether the Vinaya disallows a monk from joining Facebook. If a monastic picks up a piece of fruit off of a forest floor, I hope it is sweet and nutritious, and supplies her with fuel for her journey. If a monk opens a Facebook account and gains access to students who benefit from his teachings, all the better.


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