Arahants

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Re: Arahants

Postby suttametta » Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:53 am

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:An Arahant would not advertise himself as an Arahant.

Perhaps a foolish puthujjana disciple of a monk, who had blind devotion might think his teacher was an Arahant, and advertise his web site with that claim. If asked to substantiate it, how could he do so? Therefore, even it were true, which I am sure it is not, to claim it would only lead to trouble, so it should not be done.

The foolish will follow foolish teachers, while the wise will seek out the wise.


Interesting. Buddha said he was an arahant, many times. I guess that means he wasn't one.

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Re: Arahants

Postby robertk » Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:02 am

suttametta wrote:
Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:An Arahant would not advertise himself as an Arahant.

Perhaps a foolish puthujjana disciple of a monk, who had blind devotion might think his teacher was an Arahant, and advertise his web site with that claim. If asked to substantiate it, how could he do so? Therefore, even it were true, which I am sure it is not, to claim it would only lead to trouble, so it should not be done.

The foolish will follow foolish teachers, while the wise will seek out the wise.


Interesting. Buddha said he was an arahant, many times. I guess that means he wasn't one.

This is similar to the case where the leader of another sect heard that the Buddha prohibited his monks from showing supernormal powers. So he challenged the Buddha to a display of powers (thinking the Buddha would have to drop out). Of course the Buddha did display his powers and the ascetic was so shocked, having no special powers of his own, that he jumped into a river and drowned.

It can be considered like Kings orchard where choice fruits are grown. Everyone is prohibited from taking the fruits, but the King himself is not .

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Re: Arahants

Postby Aloka » Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:21 am

A recollection from Ajahn Jayasaro about the words of his teacher Ajahn Chah:

I remember a rather confused layman once asked Ajahn Chah about the goal of practice. He had read so many books: books on Zen, books on Mahayana, books on Taoism, books on Don Juan. He asked Ajahn Chah: 'Should we practice to become a Bodhisattva or to become an Arahant?'

Ajahn Chah said 'Don't become anything at all. Don't become an Arahant. Don't become a Bodhisattva. The moment that you become anything at all, you'll be suffering already.'

http://www.fsnewsletter.amaravati.org/html/70/collage.htm


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Re: Arahants

Postby suttametta » Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:47 pm

robertk wrote:
suttametta wrote:
Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:An Arahant would not advertise himself as an Arahant.

Perhaps a foolish puthujjana disciple of a monk, who had blind devotion might think his teacher was an Arahant, and advertise his web site with that claim. If asked to substantiate it, how could he do so? Therefore, even it were true, which I am sure it is not, to claim it would only lead to trouble, so it should not be done.

The foolish will follow foolish teachers, while the wise will seek out the wise.


Interesting. Buddha said he was an arahant, many times. I guess that means he wasn't one.

This is similar to the case where the leader of another sect heard that the Buddha prohibited his monks from showing supernormal powers. So he challenged the Buddha to a display of powers (thinking the Buddha would have to drop out). Of course the Buddha did display his powers and the ascetic was so shocked, having no special powers of his own, that he jumped into a river and drowned.

It can be considered like Kings orchard where choice fruits are grown. Everyone is prohibited from taking the fruits, but the King himself is not .


So out of the 500 arahants, all would deny being arahants?

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Re: Arahants

Postby vishuroshan » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:33 am

i'd like to tell you all one thing, if you have not attained a fruition, you cannot decide other fruitions. please be careful when you talk(FOOLISH). results of such things can be worst. Supernormal powers is a different thing.kindly note that this monk does not say that he's an arahat in his seromn. one of his lay disciples made this page and named him as an arahat. in KASHYAPA BUDDHA's time ,our bodhistava(GAUTAM BUDDHA) spkoe wrong words about KASHYAPA BUDDHA(when his friend was trying to go to meet buddha), not knowing that he was a BUDDHA. it says that he had to suffer for abut 6 years in the forest, while other buddha's attain arahatship in 7 days. we should not speak about something, if we dont know about it accurately.

ONE MORE THING, this monk had a monastery long time back (now he's staying in a house in a mountain side). one of our ministers came with more than 150 PEOPLE with weapons to destroy the monastery(we still have DEVADATTAS) coz he wanted that property it seems. but it says, that the MONK walked towards those men without any fear ,who had weapons on their hands. (will you do that if 150 people come with weapons?). the MINISTER was leadrer of that gang and he got injured(he was trying to hit the monk and his hand was wounded and started bleeding at the same time), and all the people(more than 150 people) who came to attack returned back.(dont know how it happend) nothing happend to ARAHAT VAJIRA BUDDHI and the people who were staying in the monastery. i kindly request you all to think before you speak.

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Re: Arahants

Postby suttametta » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:39 pm

:twothumbsup:
AyyaSobhana wrote:A few months ago, Bhante Gunaratana advised us (bhikkhunis) to openly disclose our attainments to our colleagues in monastic life, whether meditation attainments or noble attainments. This was in connection with the last reflection of the Dasadhamma Sutta: "“Have I gained superhuman knowledge which can be specially known to noble ones, so that later when I am questioned by fellow bhikkhus I will not be embarrassed?” If Ven. Phalanyani hears about reputed arahants, she can go and question them about it.

There's no need for our practice to be veiled in mumbo-jumbo.

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Re: Arahants

Postby vishuroshan » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:56 am

kindly note that he has not adverticed the attainment. but as lay people ,we know. coz we have closely judged him in every possible way(for a long time). i dont know about BHANTE GUNARATNE. but i know about VEN. VAJIRA BUDDHI. i just need you all to be carefull when you speak about something. i have already given the example in my previous post.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an04/an04.192.than.html

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Re: Arahants

Postby Babadhari » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:14 am

dear vishusoran

in my humble opinion you seem to be bordering towards obsession with this Venerable monk and his state of Arahantship and peoples remarks about his attainments.

you promote his website vigorously and make proclaiments about him. you genuinely seem to have been touched by him and that is great but until people meet him they cannot know and decide so for now i think it is best if you drop the topic for the Venerables sake if nothing else.

i mean no offence friend but this is becoming tiresome now when you begin to tell people what they can and cannot say.

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Aflame, with birth, aging & death, with sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, & despairs ......

Seeing thus, the disciple of the Noble One grows disenchanted. SN 35.28

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Re: Arahants

Postby vishuroshan » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:31 am

@ KITZTACK,
i have taught the some DHAMMA. i dont want all the people in the world to go to him and worship him. but mentionng words like FOOLISH for a monk is not good for that person. it will become an eveil deed. thats what i need to tell you all. i didnt like you all to be part of that sin. but they can blame and do that SIN if they like. i didnt put restrictions on people's opinion. but be careful. thats all i needed to tell. its upto them. hope you understood. and yes. its my duty to give this DHAMMA to people. thats why i send this web site. its not his personal opinion. its the original BUDDHA DESHANA. if some one read it, he will understand.

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Re: Arahants

Postby Ananda26 » Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:03 pm

phalanyani wrote:Does anybody have information about presently living Arahants? Are there any known?

with loving kindness the curious
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There is a presently living monk who got Arahantship.

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Re: Arahants

Postby starter » Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:16 am

Ananda26 wrote:
phalanyani wrote:Does anybody have information about presently living Arahants? Are there any known?

with loving kindness the curious
phalanyani


There is a presently living monk who got Arahantship.


Hello Bhante,

I believe that only an arahant can know/judge if s/he or someone else is an arahant. Nice to hear that there is presently such a living Arahant. This is really exciting news. Our generation would be blessed. Hope that I can meet him in person one day. Thanks a lot for joining the forum and helping us.

With gratitude and metta!

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