Are thoughts outside the brain?

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Are thoughts outside the brain?

Postby SarathW » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:40 pm

Are thoughts outside the brain?
Ven Ajhan Braham in the following video says that the thought are outside the brain.
I think it is incorrect to say thoughts are outside the body.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoUMLb8es4A

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Re: Are thoughts outside the brain?

Postby culaavuso » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:53 pm

This seems to be a different way of asking the question discussed in the thread Location of the Mind.

SN 12.44: Loka Sutta wrote:manañca paṭicca dhamme ca uppajjati manoviññāṇaṃ. Tiṇṇaṃ saṅgati phasso.

Dependent on the intellect & mental qualities there arises intellect-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact.
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Re: Are thoughts outside the brain?

Postby Ben » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:53 pm

Dear Sarath,
I mean this with the greatest respect...
Does it matter?

Just practice sila, samadhi and panna.
Engage in generosity, study and selfless service.

Time is short, my friend.
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Re: Are thoughts outside the brain?

Postby SarathW » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:12 am

Thanks Ben. :)

One of my friends passed away in the weekend. Her body was donated to the hospital for study of science.
I see and hear death all the time but it never sinks to my head!
It will never happen to me.
May be re birth is so much engrave to our existence.
We will never die.
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Re: Are thoughts outside the brain?

Postby waterchan » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:43 am

SarathW wrote:Are thoughts outside the brain?
Ven Ajhan Braham in the following video says that the thought are outside the brain.
I think it is incorrect to say thoughts are outside the body.


What Ajahn Brahm teaches is that the question "Where in the body is the mind located?" is a misguided materialist question, because it's the body that's inside the mind.

But I echo what Ben said: does it really matter? I think it's entirely irrelevant to our practice.
quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur
(Anything in Latin sounds profound.)

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Re: Are thoughts outside the brain?

Postby SamKR » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:50 am

SarathW wrote:Are thoughts outside the brain?

Thoughts are neither outside nor inside. They arise "where" they arise and then pass away. The ideas of "outside" and "inside" themselves are sort of thoughts. In the pure experiences that are manifesting (that is seen, heard, sensed, and cognized) you cannot find "inside", "outside", "far", "near" etc. except as cognized.

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Re: Are thoughts outside the brain?

Postby lyndon taylor » Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:32 am

Thoughts trigger neurons in the brain to fire, but this doesn't necessarily mean that thoughts are entirely made up of neurons firing in the brain.....
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Re: Are thoughts outside the brain?

Postby chownah » Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:45 am

SamKR wrote:
SarathW wrote:Are thoughts outside the brain?

Thoughts are neither outside nor inside. They arise "where" they arise and then pass away. The ideas of "outside" and "inside" themselves are sort of thoughts. In the pure experiences that are manifesting (that is seen, heard, sensed, and cognized) you cannot find "inside", "outside", "far", "near" etc. except as cognized.

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Actually, great post.....definitely good is not good enough to describe this post.

If thoughts are inside the mind then if you turn the mind inside out are all the thoughts then on the outside?
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Re: Are thoughts outside the brain?

Postby PadmaPhala » Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:30 am

the brain is a receptor of mind, but this is more a personal cognitive science theory than something supported by buddhadharma.


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