Breaking the 5th Precept Consequences?

[Strive4Karuna]

What is the karmic consequence for breaking the 5th precept?

Hypothetically, if there a was person who never did anything negative to anyone under the influence of alcohol or drugs, the only negative kamma would be the hurting of oneself, which would be the damage to ones own mind correct?

[culaavuso]

DN 31

There are, young householder, these six evil consequences in indulging in intoxicants which cause infatuation and heedlessness:

(i) loss of wealth,
(ii) increase of quarrels,
(iii) susceptibility to disease,
(iv) earning an evil reputation,
(v) shameless exposure of body,
(vi) weakening of intellect.

Snp 2.14

A layman who has chosen to practice this Dhamma should not indulge in the drinking of intoxicants. He should not drink them nor encourage others to do so; realizing that it leads to madness. Through intoxication foolish people perform evil deeds and cause other heedless people to do likewise. He should avoid intoxication, this occasion for demerit, which stupefies the mind, and is the pleasure of foolish people.

AN 8.40

Drinking liquor and wine, repeatedly pursued, developed, and cultivated, is conducive to hell, to the animal realm, and to the sphere of afflicted spirits; for one reborn as a human being drinking liquor and wine at minimum conduces to madness.

[Doshin]

What is the karmic consequence for breaking the 5th precept?

Hypothetically, if there a was person who never did anything negative ...

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

"There are these four unconjecturables that are not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about them. Which four?

"The Buddha-range of the Buddhas[1] is an unconjecturable that is not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about it.

"The jhana-range of a person in jhana...[2]

"The [precise working out of the] results of kamma...

"Conjecture about [the origin, etc., of] the world is an unconjecturable that is not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about it.

"These are the four unconjecturables that are not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about them."

(my highlights)

In other words, actions/intentions have karmic consequences, but if you where to try and understand when and how, you will go mad.

Know there is (karmic) consequences, and don't think any further bout it.

_/\_

[rowboat]

DN 31

There are, young householder, these six evil consequences in indulging in intoxicants which cause infatuation and heedlessness:

(i) loss of wealth,
(ii) increase of quarrels,
(iii) susceptibility to disease,
(iv) earning an evil reputation,
(v) shameless exposure of body,
(vi) weakening of intellect.

Snp 2.14

A layman who has chosen to practice this Dhamma should not indulge in the drinking of intoxicants. He should not drink them nor encourage others to do so; realizing that it leads to madness. Through intoxication foolish people perform evil deeds and cause other heedless people to do likewise. He should avoid intoxication, this occasion for demerit, which stupefies the mind, and is the pleasure of foolish people.

AN 8.40

Drinking liquor and wine, repeatedly pursued, developed, and cultivated, is conducive to hell, to the animal realm, and to the sphere of afflicted spirits; for one reborn as a human being drinking liquor and wine at minimum conduces to madness.

[Kim OHara]

Hypothetically, if there a was person who never did anything negative to anyone under the influence of alcohol or drugs, the only negative kamma would be the hurting of oneself, which would be the damage to ones own mind correct?

I think that's almost* correct but it's such a big "if" that we don't need to spend a lot of time thinking about the possibility.


Kim

* drugs do hurt the body as well as the mind

[Invincible_Summer]

What is the karmic consequence for breaking the 5th precept?

Hypothetically, if there a was person who never did anything negative to anyone under the influence of alcohol or drugs, the only negative kamma would be the hurting of oneself, which would be the damage to ones own mind correct?

Not to mention increased risk of diabetes, liver damage, ulcers, depression, etc.

[waterchan]

Not to mention increased risk of diabetes, liver damage, ulcers, depression, etc.

Moderate alcohol consumption is actually shown to lower the risk of developing diabetes. However alcohol can produce both hypoglycaemic and hyperglycaemic effects so it is something people who are already diabetic should be wary of.

[Disciple]

As a layperson I would say there is nothing wrong with it if you can keep it to a limit.

[Spiny Norman]

Hypothetically, if there a was person who never did anything negative to anyone under the influence of alcohol or drugs, the only negative kamma would be the hurting of oneself, which would be the damage to ones own mind correct?

Damage to one's own mind and body, yes. And it's quite difficult to meditate and be mindful with a hangover.

[Sati1]

See this recent post: http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=19594