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Does middle pathway mean been happy or been neutral?

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Does middle pathway mean been happy or been neutral?

Postby MrLearner » Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:04 pm

Hello everyone,

I'm bit confused about middle pathway.

1. Does middle pathway mean been happy, but not too happy, or does it mean been neutral (I mean like a robot, not feeling pleasures and not feeling sad either). If you are living a middle pathway life, does that mean you are a cheerful happy person.

2. The reason I ask this is as I understand, buddhism says life is suffering by default. What we feel as happiness is just a temporary cessation of this suffering. I'm basically bit confused about what happiness means in buddhism. If it simply means temporary cessation of suffering. I don't understand why we should try to be happy at all times, because we are going to be dissapointed because suffering is inevitable. Does this mean we have to live sad, but not too sad lives?

3. How important is it to try to be happy at all times in buddhism. I think it is very important, because you can not mediate if you are depressed,it doesn't work. But how can you be happy all times, if suffering is inevitable?

4. Are there 2 forms of happiness in buddhism. One is what I just described , temporary cessation of suffering. Is other form of happiness is simply understanding life is suffering hence not be disappointed or sad about it. Do we call this state peace of mind or happiness.

Sorry I'm finding it difficult to exactly cluster my thoughts into questions. Hope you understand what I mean.

Thanks :smile:

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Re: Does middle pathway mean been happy or been neutral?

Postby cooran » Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:38 pm

Hello samtheman,

This definition may be a start:
http://www.palikanon.com/english/wtb/g_ ... ipadaa.htm

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Re: Does middle pathway mean been happy or been neutral?

Postby Goofaholix » Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:33 pm

The middle way has nothing to do with happiness or the lack thereof.

Dukkha (or suffering) has nothing to do with happiness or the lack thereof.

The middle way is about balance of effort, and balance between extremes, for example not striving too hard and getting uptight and not taking it easy and therefore getting nowhere.

Facing up to Dukkha (suffering) rather fighting against it or reacting in aversion to it leads to release from it's hold on you, leads to happiness. So the key to happiness is working with and understanding Dukkha rather than fighting it or denying it as we are normally programmed to do.

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Re: Does middle pathway mean been happy or been neutral?

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Re: Does middle pathway mean been happy or been neutral?

Postby waterchan » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:07 pm

quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur
(Anything in Latin sounds profound.)

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Re: Does middle pathway mean been happy or been neutral?

Postby MrLearner » Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:33 pm

Thanks for all the replies :) They have all been very helpful.

@culaavuso - I would like to know more about the forms of happiness in buddhism. Is it possible to describe them in your own words (I sometimes fail to grasp the suttas- not saying they are bad).

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Re: Does middle pathway mean been happy or been neutral?

Postby Bakmoon » Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:48 am

The non-doing of any evil,
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.

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Re: Does middle pathway mean been happy or been neutral?

Postby Mohan Gnanathilake » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:14 pm

I have simply learned through the study of the Gautama Buddha’s teachings that the middle path indicates a path of avoidance of excess or extremes of self-abasement and intemperance.
All thoughts begin in the mind, mind is supreme and mind-made are they. If one speaks or acts with impure mind pain follows him like the wheel the hoof of the ox.
(Dhammapada 1, Yamaka Vagga – The Twin Verses)

All thoughts begin in the mind, mind is supreme and mind –made are they. If one speaks or acts with pure mind happiness follows him like one’s shadow that never leaves.
(Dhammapada 2, Yamaka Vagga – The Twin Verses)

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Re: Does middle pathway mean been happy or been neutral?

Postby 2600htz » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:58 am

Hello:

If u want to keep it simple:

a)For happiness in buddhism search the pali term "sukha", u will find a description of the different types of well being or happiness.

b)The noble eightfold path its usually presented on a surface level as a "middle way" ,with definitions that many times are really not useful, but if u read in detail u find that its about keeping in tune your attitude, effort, views, and faculties to be successful at the practice.

Regards.


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