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5th precept clarification

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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5th precept clarification

Postby Strive4Karuna » Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:51 pm

What is the 5th precept as stated by the Buddha word for word? I have seen it interpreted as

1) no intoxicating/alcoholic beverages
2) no intoxicating drinks & drugs
3) no intoxicants that cause heedlessness/carelessness.

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Re: 5th precept clarification

Postby lyndon taylor » Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:03 pm

Seems like you are looking for some loophole you can get high on, just stay sober!!!!
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Re: 5th precept clarification

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Re: 5th precept clarification

Postby lyndon taylor » Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:23 pm

Because he's started several threads with the same topic.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

http://trickleupeconomictheory.blogspot.com/

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Re: 5th precept clarification

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:05 pm

Hi Strive4Karuna
I do this for each of the precepts and some other ethical guidelines
Surāmerayamajjapamādṭṭhānā
Surāmeraya – rum & spirits.
Surā - intoxicating liquor.
meraya - fermented liquor.
Majjapa - one drinks, strong drinks.
Majja - an intoxicant.
Pamāda - negligence; indolence; remissness; carelessness.
Māda - pride; intoxication; conceit; sexual excess.
ṭhānā - place; locality; condition; reason; office; cause;
Veramaṇī
Vera – hatred; enemy.
Viratta – dispassion; non-attached to.
Mana – pride; conceit.
Mānī – one who is proud.
Maṇi – a gem jewel.
Veramaṇī – abstinence.
Sikkhāpadaṃ
Sikkhā – discipline; training
Pada - a line of stanza.
Sikkhāpada - a precept; a religious rule.
Samādiyāmi
Samādiyāmi – Take upon oneself, 1st person.


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Re: 5th precept clarification

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Re: 5th precept clarification

Postby lyndon taylor » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:32 am

It would also include strong drinks made with hashish which are popular in India, so not only alcohol is covered, I would think.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: 5th precept clarification

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:27 am

Last edited by Cittasanto on Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:10 am, edited 1 time in total.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: 5th precept clarification

Postby cooran » Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:44 am

Hello Cittasanto,

Do you mean "heedlessness" not "heedfulness" ?

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Re: 5th precept clarification

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:11 am

Hi Chris,
Thanks for noticing the mistake, I meant heedlessness.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.


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