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Theravada buddhism and the 'real' cause of everything?

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Theravada buddhism and the 'real' cause of everything?

Postby emma.james » Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:51 pm

I am a Buddhist and please could anyone offer a clear answer to the following thoughts.

Buddha said, do not waste your time trying to find an answer to the start/end of Buddhas, Kamma, world systems and concept of Mind as one’s search will be never-ending. I agree with it, but in reality who created the concepts of kamma, world systems, Buddhas, and mind? and why such things function in a sophisticated, pre-programed fashion? (i.e. during the current cycle of Buddhahood the next future Buddha is Maitreya Buddha, so who decided that the next Buddha is Maitreya? and why?). I think with other religions, at this particular point they replace this difficulty in understanding with the concept of a God (example: God create everything including the human body, world etc, God is everywhere and one cannot find who created the God). Some also don't believe in God and hence they cannot find an answer ,they become atheists and agnostics. If things happen according to the law of cause and effect mentioned by Buddha, then who created that cause and effect pathway? In addition, the human body is very complex with each sense organ carrying out complex transmissions. Hence, how come these sense organs and the human body are formed in such a complex manner and work according to a pre-programmed manner? Who decided the functioning of these profound transmissions within the human body? Also, with embryology, (with humans and animals) how come such a formation of a complex body is pre-programmed during the fertilisation? Buddha said, all is due to ignorance, and if you meditate and reach enlightenment then you will/might be able to visualise the answers to these questions.... if that is correct, then why there is no good explanation to these questions given by the already enlightened beings? or is it because that our level of understanding/wisdom is not enough to understand the answers due to lack or medication, followed by lack of insight resulting in ignorance?

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Re: Theravada buddhism and the 'real' cause of everything?

Postby Goofaholix » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:26 pm

If God created all this who created God?

Who created the one who created the God who created all this?

Who created the one who created the one who created the God who created all this?

... and so on to infinity.

Or perhaps easier, who created the assumption that nothing can exist without a creator?

Buddhism is about what is, not about speculating about why it is and how it came to be.

Buddhism is a path to freedom from suffering, not about speculating about why it is and how it came to be.

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Postby SarathW » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:43 pm

Hi Emma
I see where you coming from. I think your doubts are relevant but as an individual I will never find the answers to those questions.

However I can trust what I experience right here and now. The best thing is to have some faith and do little bit of practice.
With my little experience, I suggest you start with observing five precepts, Brahama Viharas and some meditation.

I know you like to know what is in the top of the mountain but you have to take little step at a time.
:)
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Postby emma.james » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:53 pm

Thanks for the three replies and agree with all!

Buddhism is very meaningful when I am faced with sadness and sickness.

The above curiosity started in my mind when I started to investigate my own thinking and understanding.

When we realise the truth via meditation and reach enlightenment, it would be fascinating to look back and understand the cause to all of these issues....

At times it is frustrating when a non-Buddhist challenges you with a comment such as ''ok, your Buddha had no idea and that is why he didn't mention about the starting point of Buddha, Kamma, Mind and World'', it is very difficult to convince that person about the Buddhism. I feel like I have lost the fight even before I started the fight.... I hope you all get the idea.

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Re: Theravada buddhism and the 'real' cause of everything?

Postby Ben » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:01 am

Emma,
Perhaps it is best to avoid meaningless discussions so you don't feel the need to defend yourself and your choices.
Kind regards,
Ben.
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Re: Theravada buddhism and the 'real' cause of everything?

Postby JeffR » Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:07 am

Actually, I don't see much relevancy to your questions. To me they look more like assumptions born of ignorance (excuse my directness).

What makes you assert that these things function in a "sophisticated pre-programmed fashion"?

It's a matter of opinion of them being "sophisticated", I think they are not. And I will assert none of them are "pre-programed". Far from it. The are as they are due to prior causes; kamma. Kamma is just a word to describe what exists, no one and nothing "created" the laws of kamma, they are what they are and the word was invented so one human can name the process when communicating with another human, same with the other things you mention.

We now know from science that the information for the formation of a human being body from a zygot is carried in DNA. The coded information in the DNA has evolved due to causes across the millenia of evolution. The human body is actually quite gross and inefficient, far from sophisticated in my book. We do not know what formed the mind anymore than we know what formed matter or what matter formed from, other than they are the result of previous causes and conditions. Passing on old stories told around ancient campfires by humans far more ignorant then us doesn't explain anything.

Does it really matter how the mind formed in taking the path to end suffering? Do you really need to convince those who cling to ancient tales of gods that there is actually a true way out of suffering in order for you to advance on the path?

With Metta,
Jeff

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Re: Theravada buddhism and the 'real' cause of everything?

Postby emma.james » Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:25 am

Thanks Jeff for the kind reply.

So do we need to understand - that these 4 systems (kamma, Buddha, world and mind) exist, yet we cannot understand how these things started or will end... and since Buddha discovered a path within these 4 systems to end the suffering, I guess we need to follow that advice?.....

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Postby waterchan » Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:18 am

quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur
(Anything in Latin sounds profound.)


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