Hello, DW, this has me stuck a little.
Some Dhammatalks by Ajahn Chah/Ajahn Maha Boowa have said that feelings are the pleasant/neutral/painful qualities of experience. Do they mean that these are different ways to classify feelings, or are these feelings themselves? In other words: is feeling just what we think of feelings? Do the actual sensations/sights/sounds fall under the "form" aggregate?
Are feelings just the qualities of exp. (pleasant/painful)?
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EmptyCittas1by1
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Are feelings just the qualities of exp. (pleasant/painful)?
"Eat little! Sleep little! Speak little! Whatever it may be of worldly habit, lessen them, go against their power. Don't just do as you like, don't indulge in your thought. Stop this slavish following. You must constantly go against the stream of ignorance. This is called "Discipline." When you discipline your heart, it becomes very dissatisfied and begins to struggle. It becomes restricted and oppressed. When the heart is prevented from doing what it wants to do, it starts wandering and struggling. Suffering becomes apparent to us."
— Ajahn Chah
— Ajahn Chah
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Goofaholix
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Re: Are feelings just the qualities of exp. (pleasant/painfu
The word "feeling" in buddhist psychology doesn't refer to emotions, just to the quality of pleasant, unpleaseant, or neutral.
It's probably better to think of it as "feeling tone".
It's probably better to think of it as "feeling tone".
Pronouns (no self / not self)
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.”
― Ajahn Chah
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.”
― Ajahn Chah
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EmptyCittas1by1
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Re: Are feelings just the qualities of exp. (pleasant/painfu
So if I were to touch ice and find it unpleasant, that would be the feeling, not the coldness?Goofaholix wrote:The word "feeling" in buddhist psychology doesn't refer to emotions, just to the quality of pleasant, unpleaseant, or neutral.
It's probably better to think of it as "feeling tone".
"Eat little! Sleep little! Speak little! Whatever it may be of worldly habit, lessen them, go against their power. Don't just do as you like, don't indulge in your thought. Stop this slavish following. You must constantly go against the stream of ignorance. This is called "Discipline." When you discipline your heart, it becomes very dissatisfied and begins to struggle. It becomes restricted and oppressed. When the heart is prevented from doing what it wants to do, it starts wandering and struggling. Suffering becomes apparent to us."
— Ajahn Chah
— Ajahn Chah
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Goofaholix
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Re: Are feelings just the qualities of exp. (pleasant/painfu
The coldness is a physical sensation, this is followed by an unpleasant feeling tone.
Pronouns (no self / not self)
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.”
― Ajahn Chah
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.”
― Ajahn Chah
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EmptyCittas1by1
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Re: Are feelings just the qualities of exp. (pleasant/painfu
Since it's not the "feeling tone", does it fall under a different aggregate? Or is it still the feeling aggregate?Goofaholix wrote:The coldness is a physical sensation, this is followed by an unpleasant feeling tone.
"Eat little! Sleep little! Speak little! Whatever it may be of worldly habit, lessen them, go against their power. Don't just do as you like, don't indulge in your thought. Stop this slavish following. You must constantly go against the stream of ignorance. This is called "Discipline." When you discipline your heart, it becomes very dissatisfied and begins to struggle. It becomes restricted and oppressed. When the heart is prevented from doing what it wants to do, it starts wandering and struggling. Suffering becomes apparent to us."
— Ajahn Chah
— Ajahn Chah
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Goofaholix
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Re: Are feelings just the qualities of exp. (pleasant/painfu
You mean the physical sensation of coldness? this would come under the form aggregate (rupa).EmptyCittas1by1 wrote: Since it's not the "feeling tone", does it fall under a different aggregate? Or is it still the feeling aggregate?
Pronouns (no self / not self)
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.”
― Ajahn Chah
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.”
― Ajahn Chah
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EmptyCittas1by1
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Re: Are feelings just the qualities of exp. (pleasant/painfu
Thanks! Does the same apply to seeing things, hearing things, etc?Goofaholix wrote:You mean the physical sensation of coldness? this would come under the form aggregate (rupa).EmptyCittas1by1 wrote: Since it's not the "feeling tone", does it fall under a different aggregate? Or is it still the feeling aggregate?
"Eat little! Sleep little! Speak little! Whatever it may be of worldly habit, lessen them, go against their power. Don't just do as you like, don't indulge in your thought. Stop this slavish following. You must constantly go against the stream of ignorance. This is called "Discipline." When you discipline your heart, it becomes very dissatisfied and begins to struggle. It becomes restricted and oppressed. When the heart is prevented from doing what it wants to do, it starts wandering and struggling. Suffering becomes apparent to us."
— Ajahn Chah
— Ajahn Chah
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Goofaholix
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Re: Are feelings just the qualities of exp. (pleasant/painfu
Yes.EmptyCittas1by1 wrote:Thanks! Does the same apply to seeing things, hearing things, etc?
Pronouns (no self / not self)
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.”
― Ajahn Chah
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.”
― Ajahn Chah
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EmptyCittas1by1
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Re: Are feelings just the qualities of exp. (pleasant/painfu
Thank you very muchGoofaholix wrote:Yes.EmptyCittas1by1 wrote:Thanks! Does the same apply to seeing things, hearing things, etc?
"Eat little! Sleep little! Speak little! Whatever it may be of worldly habit, lessen them, go against their power. Don't just do as you like, don't indulge in your thought. Stop this slavish following. You must constantly go against the stream of ignorance. This is called "Discipline." When you discipline your heart, it becomes very dissatisfied and begins to struggle. It becomes restricted and oppressed. When the heart is prevented from doing what it wants to do, it starts wandering and struggling. Suffering becomes apparent to us."
— Ajahn Chah
— Ajahn Chah
