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Self, Non-Self and Not Self

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ihrjordan
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Self, Non-Self and Not Self

Postby ihrjordan » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:47 am

Hello everyone! This is my first post and I would like to discuss the concept of "Self, Non-Self and Not Self". The general understanding in Buddhism is that there is no "Self". No object or entity that you can point to and say "That's me". While examining this concept i do understand it to be mostly true but I'm somewhat confused. The Buddha taught that the mind precedes all things, basically we are what we think. So couldn't one make the argument and say that our mind could be considered "self"? Seeing as how in rebirth we take our kamma with us which has been created through the mind? and another thing to consider is this passage here: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html :buddha2:
"Ko imaṃ pathaviṃ vicessati, yamalokañca imaṃ sadevakaṃ.
ko dhammapadaṃ sudesitaṃ, kusalo pupphamiva pacessati"

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Re: Self, Non-Self and Not Self

Postby SamKR » Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:00 pm

Mind arises dependently, not independently. Whatever arises dependently must pass away - that is, it is impermanent. Whatever is not-independent and is impermanent, is empty of any essence. How can it be Self?

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Re: Self, Non-Self and Not Self

Postby manas » Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:57 pm

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Self, Non-Self and Not Self

Postby ihrjordan » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:27 pm

"Ko imaṃ pathaviṃ vicessati, yamalokañca imaṃ sadevakaṃ.
ko dhammapadaṃ sudesitaṃ, kusalo pupphamiva pacessati"

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Re: Self, Non-Self and Not Self

Postby ihrjordan » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:34 pm

"Ko imaṃ pathaviṃ vicessati, yamalokañca imaṃ sadevakaṃ.
ko dhammapadaṃ sudesitaṃ, kusalo pupphamiva pacessati"

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Re: Self, Non-Self and Not Self

Postby pegembara » Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:19 am

And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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