YOU CANNOT POST. OUR WEB HOSTING COMPANY DECIDED TO MOVE THE SERVER TO ANOTHER LOCATION. IN THE MEANTIME, YOU CAN VIEW THIS VERSION WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW POSTING AND WILL NOT SAVE ANYTHING YOU DO ONCE THE OTHER SERVER GOES ONLINE.

Giving to beggars - Dhamma Wheel

Giving to beggars

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
User avatar
Stiphan
Posts: 1343
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:53 pm

Giving to beggars

Postby Stiphan » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:05 pm

I plan on moving to Manchester, UK, perhaps later this year. I've been there twice, and I saw many beggars on the streets. I gave some change to some of them, to others not.

But the Buddha said "When asked, give even if you only have a little" (Dhp. 224).

Since at first I will be using my mother's money until I find a job there, I am not sure whether giving to all beggars will be the right thing to do - it would be a major drainage of money that really is not my own.


So, should I always give to every beggar, or just to some, or to no one?

culaavuso
Posts: 1363
Joined: Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:27 pm

Re: Giving to beggars

Postby culaavuso » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:46 pm

Some points to consider are whether the money is yours to give, whether it's a good place to give a gift, and whether the gift is given with a good state of mind.

If the money isn't yours to give then it seems to be a form of taking what is not given, which would mean violating the second precept.

Regarding where gifts should be given and where they bear fruit, see

Regarding motivations for giving, see


User avatar
Stiphan
Posts: 1343
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:53 pm

Re: Giving to beggars

Postby Stiphan » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:49 pm

Thank you, culaavuso! Problem solved. :smile:

santa100
Posts: 2673
Joined: Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:55 pm

Re: Giving to beggars

Postby santa100 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:08 pm


User avatar
Stiphan
Posts: 1343
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:53 pm

Re: Giving to beggars

Postby Stiphan » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:14 pm


Digity
Posts: 1205
Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:13 am

Re: Giving to beggars

Postby Digity » Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:03 am

A lot of people begging on the street have drug and alcohol problems. Might be better to give some food, etc. because that money might otherwise go to support their substance abuse.

User avatar
manas
Posts: 2251
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:04 am
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: Giving to beggars

Postby manas » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:59 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

User avatar
lyndon taylor
Posts: 1552
Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 11:41 pm
Location: Redlands, Southern California, USA
Contact:

Re: Giving to beggars

Postby lyndon taylor » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:01 am

I don't think that can refer to America, Manas, people are starving and there is not enough charity here, you can often get a gauge of who are the druggies and who are genuinely in need, and I sort of adopt certain homeless people and support for a few rather than all, when you hear their stories, you'll find that while some drink, they're not all drug addicts, and often quite intelligent, my one friend just went through throat cancer, and radiation treatment, and the accompanying sickness, I'm so glad to see him doing better now, I look forward to our visits at the coffee shop I go to. Your friend at work is almost just as likely to be using alcohol as some homeless person, and they don't all drink to be stinking drunk, etc.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

http://trickleupeconomictheory.blogspot.com/

User avatar
manas
Posts: 2251
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:04 am
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: Giving to beggars

Postby manas » Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:55 am

Last edited by manas on Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:17 am, edited 1 time in total.
Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

User avatar
lyndon taylor
Posts: 1552
Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 11:41 pm
Location: Redlands, Southern California, USA
Contact:

Re: Giving to beggars

Postby lyndon taylor » Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:09 am

In my town there are two providers, one the Salvation Army, both offering one hot meal in the evening, once a day, usually not on weekends, and for whatever reasons most of the homeless people don't like going to them, perhaps because they aggressively ban intoxicated and loud persons. Also we do have foodstamps, but they are usually only available to people who have addresses and the patience to fill out a lot of paperwork, AND do community service at very low hourly wage equivalent to food stamp value they get. Don't get me started on this wonderful "wealthy" America.....
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

http://trickleupeconomictheory.blogspot.com/

User avatar
manas
Posts: 2251
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:04 am
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: Giving to beggars

Postby manas » Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:23 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

User avatar
Dan74
Posts: 3012
Joined: Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:12 pm

Re: Giving to beggars

Postby Dan74 » Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:41 am

Gents, Stephen was talking about the UK, or has the conversation moved on already?
_/|\_

User avatar
lyndon taylor
Posts: 1552
Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 11:41 pm
Location: Redlands, Southern California, USA
Contact:

Re: Giving to beggars

Postby lyndon taylor » Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:57 am

Given the title of the thread, I didn't know the conversation had to be restricted to the OPs country!! Homelessness is a pretty universal problem, but as we have pointed out, not all countries are the same......
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

http://trickleupeconomictheory.blogspot.com/

User avatar
manas
Posts: 2251
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:04 am
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: Giving to beggars

Postby manas » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:03 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

User avatar
Dan74
Posts: 3012
Joined: Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:12 pm

Re: Giving to beggars

Postby Dan74 » Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:51 pm

A timely recognition of two wonderful Australians, I say!

It will also come in handy for Dame Gina as I hear the wedding bells are ringing for her at last. At last she found a match for herself, both in stature and personality. A man with a title already, with interest in mining and a keen concern for governance.

Here's a sneaky pic at the beautiful couple:

baron copy.jpg
baron copy.jpg (247.86 KiB) Viewed 2289 times
_/|\_

User avatar
Aloka
Posts: 5517
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:51 pm

Re: Giving to beggars

Postby Aloka » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:11 am


User avatar
Doshin
Posts: 99
Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:01 am

Re: Giving to beggars

Postby Doshin » Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:38 pm

Knowing about dhamma, does not imply knowing dhamma

User avatar
Aloka
Posts: 5517
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:51 pm

Re: Giving to beggars

Postby Aloka » Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:47 pm


Ananda26
Posts: 171
Joined: Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:41 pm

Re: Giving to beggars

Postby Ananda26 » Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:59 pm


User avatar
Doshin
Posts: 99
Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:01 am

Re: Giving to beggars

Postby Doshin » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:18 am

Knowing about dhamma, does not imply knowing dhamma


Return to “Sīla”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 8 guests

Google Saffron, Theravada Search Engine