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If it helps you, do you care where it comes from?

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If it helps you, do you care where it comes from?

Postby soapy3 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:02 pm

There are authors of popular books on meditation and Buddhism that blend teachings from different types of Buddhism, theories from psychology, personal views of their teachers, and their own personal views.

Does it matter to you where an idea comes from?

Do you want helpful spiritual/psychological ideas only to come from Buddhism or a paritcular type of Buddhism?
Do you want helpful spiritual/psychological ideas to come from the suttas directly?

Is it enough for you that the idea is helpful to you and increases your happiness?

Do you care only in knowing where it comes from so you know what you are talking about?

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Postby mikenz66 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:46 pm

Interesting question. I think that attitudes to this question revolve around whether, when examining possible suggestions, one look for consistency with the suttas, or for confirmation from the suttas (the latter being a much stronger requirement).

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Postby m0rl0ck » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:22 pm

If it fits with what i know to be true from my expericence, makes sense and leads to good results, i dont care where it comes from.

Ok, whats the sutta qoute? :)
“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Postby SarathW » Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:46 pm

There are four major type of happiness with many sub divisions.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zAQU8MEHnM


So depend on your goal and intelligence, you have to decide what true happiness means.
If you need the very basic happiness by material things you can listen to a motivational speaker or a financial advisor etc.
If you need the highest happiness “Nirvana” (according to Buddha) you have to be a Buddhist.
I have chosen Theravada as it gives me a clear path to Nirvana.
:)
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Postby Feathers » Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:26 am

To an extent I don't care - I am still working my way through Pema Chodron's books, despite being perfectly convinced that Theravada is the best fit for me, because I find them helpful.

However I do think some caution is needed. On the one hand, if secular meditation stuff helps people, then great, but I do think it is a journey into the mind that needs to be handled with care.

Edit to add: for clarity, I mean that the habit of divorcing meditation from its religious roots is maybe being done a little carelessly. Not necessarily by the original proponents of it, but by the time it has filtered down to a poorly-trained therapist on the ground . . .
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Postby daverupa » Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:41 am

Maybe we should have a discussion about how to distinguish "it helps" from "I like it".

Right effort and doubt have an interesting interplay here; if someone wants to say they are helped by e.g. a wrong view (e.g. that there is a Creator deity), the response calls for a light touch with these points of Dhamma.

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"My religion is very simple - my religion is ice-cream."
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