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Looking for a sutta

Postby waterchan » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:57 pm

I'm looking for the sutta where the Buddha is asked if practicing the Eightfold Path is dukkha, and the Buddha replies that the path is the dukkha that leads to the end of dukkha. Can someone please provide a reference to this sutta?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Looking for a sutta

Postby fivebells » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:02 pm

Not quite the same, but there is Ananda's pronouncements in the Bhikkhuni sutta:

"This body, sister, comes into being through food. And yet it is by relying on food that food is to be abandoned.

"This body comes into being through craving. And yet it is by relying on craving that craving is to be abandoned.

"This body comes into being through conceit. And yet it is by relying on conceit that conceit is to be abandoned."

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Re: Looking for a sutta

Postby culaavuso » Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:51 pm

Neither of these two suttas have the Buddha as the speaker, but in one Ven. Sariputta explains that fabrication is stressful and in the other Ven. Dhammadinna explains that the eightfold path is fabricated.

SN 38.14: Dukkha Sutta wrote:As he was sitting there he said to Ven. Sariputta: "'Stress, stress,' it is said, my friend Sariputta. Which type of stress [are they referring to]?"

"There are these three forms of stressfulness, my friend: the stressfulness of pain, the stressfulness of fabrication, the stressfulness of change. These are the three forms of stressfulness."

"But is there a path, is there a practice for the full comprehension of these forms of stressfulness?"

"Yes, there is a path, there is a practice for the full comprehension of these forms of stressfulness."

"Then what is the path, what is the practice for the full comprehension of these forms of stressfulness?"

"Precisely this Noble Eightfold Path, my friend — right view, right resolve, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration. This is the path, this is the practice for the full comprehension of these forms of stressfulness."


MN 44: Culavedalla Sutta wrote:"Is the noble eightfold path fabricated or unfabricated?"

"The noble eightfold path is fabricated."


Although it may also be useful to remember that the path is admirable in the beginning, middle, and end.

AN 3.65: Kalama Sutta wrote:He has made known — having realized it through direct knowledge — this world with its devas, maras, & brahmas, its generations with their contemplatives & brahmans, their rulers & common people; has explained the Dhamma admirable in the beginning, admirable in the middle, admirable in the end; has expounded the holy life both in its particulars & in its essence, entirely perfect, surpassingly pure.

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Re: Looking for a sutta

Postby Ananda26 » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:04 pm

waterchan wrote:I'm looking for the sutta where the Buddha is asked if practicing the Eightfold Path is dukkha, and the Buddha replies that the path is the dukkha that leads to the end of dukkha. Can someone please provide a reference to this sutta?

Thanks in advance.


The Noble Truth of the way of practice leading to cessation of suffering.

It is possible that Buddha would say the Noble Eightfold Path is conditioned and leads to the unconditioned.


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