TheNoBSBuddhist wrote:Why do you think practice is any different in India/Nepal, than it is where you are right now?
Is it necessary for you to travel there?
I merely ask, because a person of my acquaintance has done such a thing in Italy....
Goofaholix wrote:I can just imagine the visa application, no job, no money, no return ticket, no travel insurance, then of course probably every 3 months you'd have to cross the border to renew your visa and who's going to pay for that. The locals probably do feed locals who choose this lifestyle but what would they make of a foreigner.
The question i'd as is why would you want to?
walkart wrote:Be carefull.
(1) Is it possible to practice in India or Nepal nowadays? Do modern citizens support independent renunciants? How are they seen by the society?
(2) How should one proceed in order to live like that?
(3) I think getting new visas would be a problem, wouldn't it?
(4) If that is definitely impossible, are there alternatives?
kryptos wrote:I believe that living in India or Nepal would be better because mendicancy of that type (with a spiritual goal) is a normal thing or at least used to be. I have never been to India, but I would like to. Hmmm... Sounds good. How have your acquaintance done such a thing in Italy? Depending on the solution, I would be interested, too. Thanks.
kryptos wrote:I am not concerned about having a job, money, return ticket, travel insurance. I want to be a renunciant relying on my faith, practices, people's generosity and Buddha-Dhamma. I am not worried about how painful life might be. I wouldn't like to go illegal in terms of staying in the country without permission. I have sufficient money to get new Visas for the first three years and I would ask some local to keep my money and help me with that. In the meantime I would expect someone to help me in this matter for the next years.
kryptos wrote:Anagarika Dharmapala seems to be a good source of inspiration.
"'Dharmapala' means 'protector of the dharma'. 'Anagarika' means "homeless one". It is a midway status between monk and layperson. As such, he took the eight precepts (refrain from killing, stealing, sexual activity, wrong speech, intoxicating drinks and drugs, eating after noon, entertainments and fashionable attire, and luxurious beds) for life. These eight precepts were commonly taken by Ceylonese laypeople on observance days. But for a person to take them for life was highly unusual. Dharmapala was the first anagarika - that is, a celibate, full-time worker for Buddhism - in modern times. It seems that he took a vow of celibacy at the age of eight and remained faithful to it all his life. Although he wore a yellow robe, it was not of the traditional bhikkhu pattern, and he did not shave his head. He felt that the observance of all the vinaya rules would get in the way of his work, especially as he flew around the world. Neither the title nor the office became popular, but in this role, he "was the model for lay activism in modernist Buddhism." He is considered a bodhisattva in Sri Lanka."
piano piano wrote:You could do your thing in Sri Lanka or Thailand, however, where that tradition is still strong. I don't see why you should search out places where the traditions are not accepted. Staunch monks are doing that in the hills of Sri Lanka, where they share the forest with wild elephants and other dangers. You could just get ordained by anyone, and then go your way. There are well-known Western monks who did not undergo a 5-year-nissaya. For the visa-situation in Sri Lanka you need some strong support, meaning good connections (places like Na Uyana are a good connection, but it can also be done thru other links to the Government).
kryptos wrote:I am not concerned about having a job, money, return ticket, travel insurance.
Goofaholix wrote:kryptos wrote:I am not concerned about having a job, money, return ticket, travel insurance.
No doubt, my point is that immigration will be, you just won't be given a visa unless you can prove that you can support yourself and intend to leave the country when your visa expires.
No country wants another countries bum, even if it's a dhamma bum.
Zentruckdriver wrote:Hi Kryptos,
Maybe this site can help with some ideas http://becomenomad.com/
Zentruckdriver wrote:The only other thing I can think of is becoming Stateless but I have
never researched it and do not know if its applicable.
melancholy wrote:kryptos, are you looking for a lifestyle like ramana maharshi. i mean not the views, but the simple & free living?
kryptos wrote:melancholy wrote:kryptos, are you looking for a lifestyle like ramana maharshi. i mean not the views, but the simple & free living?
My knowledge about him is too embryonic. Anyway, I will read his biography. May help! Thank very much!
I take the opportunity to show the video below. It is about a piano tuner that decided to become homeless and found a very interesting way of living. That gives an idea on how to become a modern nomad.
Short film "The traveling piano tuner": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36O39ruGZ-g
Richard's blog: http://www.piano-tuning.co.uk
What do you think about Richard's lifestyle?
I am seriously thinking about doing the same, including the 9 precepts and - after some experience using money and not using money - the 10 precepts. Instead of using generic robes, I would use black T-shirt and black trousers everyday. Why? Because I do not want to attract people's attention. I want to avoid trouble, specially with the police. If I use robes, they might think I am crazy and would send me to a treatment center! It is different from a monastic that can walk in the streets and then go back to his place.
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