Regarding Unwholesome root- Hatred and Karma

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Regarding Unwholesome root- Hatred and Karma

Postby indian_buddhist » Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:49 pm

Dear all folks,

I am new in Buddhism since the past 6 months and been reading the Pali Canon(English Translations). I have been reading about Karma and especially about how Hatred/Aversion/Ill-will leads to Realm of Hell in the next birth.

Now I have a situation in my life I would like to discuss. In my life over a period of about 2 to 2.5 years I had developed Aversion towards one of my family members (actually my sister-in-law - My brother's wife). Now since we were staying in the same house my aversion was present whenever she was around. This is there for a period of 2.5 years like I said until I recently turned towards the Buddha's teachings. His teachings changed my outlook and I developed a mind of non-hatred at first and then a mind of Loving-Kindness towards that person. Now I would like to put an effort to keep this state of Loving-Kindness for the rest of my life.

My understanding of Kamma from the Buddha's teachings says that Unwholesome Kamma and Hatred especially leads to realm of Hell (albeit temporary). I would like to know whether having this unwholesome Kamma for a long period (say 2.5 years) mean that my next birth would be definitely in the Hell realm?. Can it be possible in my life to be good and avoid an unfortunate rebirth to hell or is it impossible now considering the long period I had carried unwholesome root?.
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Re: Regarding Unwholesome root- Hatred and Karma

Postby David N. Snyder » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:10 pm

Don't worry about it -- you don't have those feelings now. It is the sum total of your thoughts and deeds that matter; see Samyutta Nikaya 55.21.

Although it is not good to have bad thoughts, bad actions often do far worse damage, for example killing and harming.

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Re: Regarding Unwholesome root- Hatred and Karma

Postby cooran » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:08 pm

You can read it here:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/#sn55

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Re: Regarding Unwholesome root- Hatred and Karma

Postby fivebells » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:12 am

The skill you've developed in uprooting that hatred far outweighs any bad kamma you laid down by indulging it in the first place.

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Re: Regarding Unwholesome root- Hatred and Karma

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:36 am

Two and a half years is not long at all. We have all carried the three unwholesome roots throughout the limitless cycle of samsāra.

The important thing now is to work towards eradicating them as far as possible in this very life by acts of kindness, and through tranquillity and insight meditation.
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Re: Regarding Unwholesome root- Hatred and Karma

Postby indian_buddhist » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:06 am

Thank you everyone respected ones.
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Re: Regarding Unwholesome root- Hatred and Karma

Postby Vanda » Tue Aug 04, 2015 8:05 pm

Every flash of a moment can give birth to the hell realm. If this moment you are not there, why give it any thought. Why change the moment with any form of desire.
“Don’t go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the thought, ‘This contemplative is our teacher.’ When you know for yourselves that, ‘These qualities are skillful; these qualities are blameless; these qualities are praised by the wise; these qualities, when adopted and carried out, lead to welfare and to happiness’ — then you should enter and remain in them.”
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Re: Regarding Unwholesome root- Hatred and Karma

Postby aperrie » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:19 am

If you believe in true rebirth it has to do with your deeds more so than your thoughts. So your bad karma would build but you can lessen its effect by generating good karma in your life now that you have better insight. Not just on this matter with your sister-in-law but with all kind deeds you can do and experiences with everyone. The best analogy I have heard on this matter is relating bad karma to salt and good karma to water, if you have a cup of salt and a cup of water you aren't going to want to drink it. But if you have a cup of salt and a lake of water you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference.

I highly doubt your previous actions would warrant being reborn in the realm of Hell especially with all of the good will you have been spreading since then.

Good luck to you and your practice, you should worry less about the future.

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Re: Regarding Unwholesome root- Hatred and Karma

Postby samseva » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:40 am

Vanda wrote:Every flash of a moment can give birth to the hell realm.

I think this is a little too extreme.

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Re: Regarding Unwholesome root- Hatred and Karma

Postby Vanda » Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:50 am

In what way do you mean? I don't understand. How is Dhamma extreme?
“Don’t go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the thought, ‘This contemplative is our teacher.’ When you know for yourselves that, ‘These qualities are skillful; these qualities are blameless; these qualities are praised by the wise; these qualities, when adopted and carried out, lead to welfare and to happiness’ — then you should enter and remain in them.”
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Re: Regarding Unwholesome root- Hatred and Karma

Postby samseva » Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:13 am

Vanda wrote:In what way do you mean? I don't understand. How is Dhamma extreme?

I was referring to 'every flash of a moment giving birth to the hell realm'.

Usually, being reborn in hell is due to highly unwholesome kamma, such as the 5 ānantarika-kamma (the 5 heinous ‘actions with immediate destiny’, which are parricide, matricide, killing an Arahat, wounding a Buddha, creating schism in the monks order). Murder and cruelty are also a cause to be reborn in hell, but a simple 'flash of a moment'—let alone every flash—is a little too extreme.

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Re: Regarding Unwholesome root- Hatred and Karma

Postby Vanda » Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:35 am

Niraya (hell) is a woeful state in which we can be born in to quite easily. Every time we fall victim to craving and clinging another birth occurs at that moment. To recognize how this happens is important, to understand paticcasamuppada is of prime importance. Yes, suffering is extreme, but there is a way that leads us out of suffering which is taught by the Buddha.
“Don’t go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the thought, ‘This contemplative is our teacher.’ When you know for yourselves that, ‘These qualities are skillful; these qualities are blameless; these qualities are praised by the wise; these qualities, when adopted and carried out, lead to welfare and to happiness’ — then you should enter and remain in them.”
- Kalama Sutta, Anguttara Nikaya

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Re: Regarding Unwholesome root- Hatred and Karma

Postby samseva » Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:04 am

Vanda wrote:Niraya (hell) is a woeful state in which we can be born in to quite easily. Every time we fall victim to craving and clinging another birth occurs at that moment. To recognize how this happens is important, to understand paticcasamuppada is of prime importance. Yes, suffering is extreme, but there is a way that leads us out of suffering which is taught by the Buddha.

Applying the concept of rebirth to every thought-moment is debatable, as well as hell being a state in which we can easily be reborn in.

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Re: Regarding Unwholesome root- Hatred and Karma

Postby Vanda » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:44 am

Buddhaghosa’s idea seems debatable. If volitional action (kamma) creates a birth and the person is afflicted by extreme anxiety or agitation then hell is generated in that moment. Each birth of a self can happen in the snap of the fingers, as the notion of a self arises. "Hell" is a mind state, not some underground dwelling below the earth's surface with little red devils holding pitchforks dancing all around. This is my understanding.
“Don’t go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the thought, ‘This contemplative is our teacher.’ When you know for yourselves that, ‘These qualities are skillful; these qualities are blameless; these qualities are praised by the wise; these qualities, when adopted and carried out, lead to welfare and to happiness’ — then you should enter and remain in them.”
- Kalama Sutta, Anguttara Nikaya


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