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Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Postby grindlesgrindis » Tue May 29, 2012 7:23 am

I know you asked specifically about Wat Pah Nanachat, but there are other possibilities for study or ordination in Thailand. Take your time to look around, if you can... the robes will wait as long as you need them to... There's lot's of instruction and inspiration from many Dhamma teachers in that wonderland. Dare I recommend a visit to Wat Pah Baan Taad, even with Luangta having passed? I believe I do.

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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Postby gavesako » Tue May 29, 2012 9:00 am

You might also want to read this article:

Research on The Integration of Foreign Monks into Thai Buddhism

Based on this model, Last offers examples of monks who fit the characteristics of integrationists, resisters, and separationists. Western monks are placed into these categories based on their reactions to three important aspects of Thai culture: hierarchy, indirectness, and non-confrontation.
“Westerners tend to come from an egalitarian viewpoint. So there tends to be at least more of an attempt to have a group process [at Wat Pa Nanachat] There’s a lot of discussing and explaining with Westerners.” The emphasis on democratic processes can also be seen in the leadership roles at Wat Pa Nanachat. Unlike in Thai monasteries, the abbotship is not a permanent position but rotates every five or so years.
Another reinterpretation has to do with hierarchy and Western monks favoring of self-authority rather than that of a specific teacher. “But such trust in exclusively one or even a few teachers tends to be difficult for Westerners . . . are much more apt to read the suttas and compare them with the teachings of contemporary teachers, compare contemporary teachers with one another, and even compare different Buddhist traditions with one another.” (p. 97). Therefore Westerners tend to rely on self-authority rather than following one teacher without question.

http://www.wanderingdhamma.org/2010/01/ ... -buddhism/
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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Postby DAWN » Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:00 pm

Me to I have one question about ordonation at WPN.

I know that english is requered to ordain at WPN, but my english is not fluent, I can read and listen, but to exprime my self is not so easy for me and comrehensive for those who is listening to me.

It is one major problem to ordain at WPN?

Thank you very much! :namaste:
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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:25 am

I guess that essay is very usefull: Another thought that arose was a saying of Ajahn Fuang:
"If there are any sensual pleasures you really hunger for, it's a sign you enjoyed them before in a previous life. That's why you miss them so much this time around. If you think about this long enough, it should be enough to make you dispassionate and dismayed."
, but I am not sure if it might fits.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Postby abhishek_laser » Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:41 am

Thanks to Ven. Ajahn Gavesako, for the additional information.
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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Postby piano piano » Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:22 pm

You are certainly right, Bhante, a more cautious approach when it comes to visa is recommended. I should have worded it more cautiously myself, like saying: "According to a recent report from Vientiane it appeared as easy to get a double-entry Tourist visa. The applicant was not even asked any question whatsoever".

But things may change, as we all know so well, and that possibly even from person to person. After all, no one has a right and a claim to any kind of visa to a country.

One thing remains though: The statement that 1-month-Transit-visas are easily available by just crossing over the border to Laos, as mentioned on the website of Wat Pah Nanachat, is most likely wrong (otherwise the travel-community in the country would be abuzz with that option, and it would be silly to accept a 15-day-visa-waiver), or it applied to a time long ago and was not updated on the website, or they have indeed a special relationship with visa-issuing officers there, which is most unlikely though.

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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Postby Sekha » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:42 am

To those here who are knowledgeable about the issue: I would like to know what are the choices available to monks having completed their 5 vassas at WPN

They probably can:
- stay on
- move to another branch in Thailand
- move to another branch in their country

Can they at some point be compelled to adopt one of these options in particular?
Can they think of living on their own in an isolated place?

Thank you!
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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Postby gavesako » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:33 pm

All of these options are possible for a monk. Some monks have left Thailand even before their fifth year and moved to the West because of health and family issues, for example. Monks after their fifth vassa are called "majjhima" (middle) and this is traditionally their chance to go on tudong and gain more experience by visiting other monasteries outside of their own tradition. Sometimes they do not come back to WPN for a whole year, although now everybody should gather at the annual January 16th celebration in Wat Pah Pong. Westerners are generally only allowed to extend their visa in Thailand for up to 10 years, so after that -- unless they become abbot or deputy abbot -- the "thera" (elder) monks tend to leave Thailand and move to other countries.
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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Postby ArkA » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:38 pm

I'll restart my yearlong meditation retreat on 15th June 2014, hence will not be here.

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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Postby ArkA » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:52 pm

I'll restart my yearlong meditation retreat on 15th June 2014, hence will not be here.

"Bhikkhus, there are these three things that shine when exposed, not when concealed. What three? (1) The moon. (2) The sun. (3) The Dhamma and discipline proclaimed by the Tathagata."
- Anguttara Nikaya, 3.131, Paticchanna Sutta

"Silence is the language of God; all else is poor translation."
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