Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby indian_buddhist » Wed May 07, 2014 4:57 pm

david.sojourn wrote:
waterchan wrote:
indian_buddhist wrote:However those that have Stream entry and more spread the message. its a duty for them to spread the message.


I don't understand your obsession with stream entry as a minimum requirement in this thread and others. Where, in which sutta is it stated that stream entry is a requirement to teach the Dhamma to anyone? Most monks including arahants are not great teachers.

Those who are skilled in teaching should teach the Dhamma and those who are not skilled at teaching can progress towards their own final enlightenment.

Watch this video starting at 2:09 to understand what true "conversion" means in Buddhism:



This is the problem.

This is why you are all so confused on the Dhamma. Why you have 9000000000 posts, and no answers on these forums.

An Arahant is always a great teacher. It can be no other way. Monks, on the other hand.....eh.....Most monks aren't Enlightened.

Those who do not have "Direct" experience of Dhamma, should not try to teach Dhamma.

It is this very behavior that causes so much confusion in the world. It is why a process, Enlightenment, which is very, very simple, is so very, very hard to obtain (Worst of all for buddhists, Christians find it easier).

How do you know if you have direct experience of Dhamma?

Oh, you will know.... When Dhamma is understood, Dhamma is understood.

Blind leading the blind is what you get when non-Enlightened teachers, teach. It is an ego. To "Be" a teacher. And you are teaching from a position of ignorance, still. Ignorance does not begin to fade away until the Dhamma has been encountered, and understood.

One should not teach, if one does not have true happiness in ones own life.

Discovering the true Dhamma, brings true happiness. So when one teaches "My techniques", or "My theory", or "My Understanding", one is working exactly in the opposite fashion required to understand and reveal true Dhamma.

The Dhamma is received, by those who are prepared to receive it. It is not "Found", accumulated, or algorithmically attained.

If you are not sure if you have experience with Dhamma, do not teach. You are part of what is destroying the world. Part of why so few can attain Enlightenment. Every word spoken in Ignorance "About" Dhamma, causes another problem. Every time.

It is Karmically negative to try to teach without direct experience of Dhamma. Period.

And to charge for Dhamma teachings, violates all of the Universal rules. Period.



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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby waterchan » Wed May 07, 2014 4:59 pm

david.sojourn wrote:This is the problem.

This is why you are all so confused on the Dhamma. Why you have 9000000000 posts, and no answers on these forums.

Clearly that is why you registered at a most opportune time to enlighten us all.

david.sojourn wrote:And to charge for Dhamma teachings, violates all of the Universal rules. Period.

Exactly who in the above video is charging for Dhamma teachings?
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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby Mkoll » Wed May 07, 2014 5:41 pm

waterchan wrote:
david.sojourn wrote:This is the problem.

This is why you are all so confused on the Dhamma. Why you have 9000000000 posts, and no answers on these forums.

Clearly that is why you registered at a most opportune time to enlighten us all.


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I was waiting for someone to say something like that!
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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby PsychedelicSunSet » Wed May 07, 2014 8:25 pm

david.sojourn wrote:An Arahant is always a great teacher. It can be no other way.


Source? As far as I know, that statement is untrue.



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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby jameswang » Wed May 21, 2014 6:27 am

pilgrim wrote:Buddhists don't seek to convert for conversion sake, but to benefit others.

So, we should convert, but just not for conversion sake? Even when we think "to benefit others", that's tricky, isn't it?
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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby jameswang » Wed May 21, 2014 6:35 am

culaavuso wrote:Intention is key. If the intention is to share insight into Buddhism in a way that benefits others for their sake and not for the sake of gain, praise, fame, or pleasure and it is in line with the principles of right speech then it is the compassionate thing to do. It's not about converting others, it's about helping others to find happiness. This can include just sharing small helpful suggestions that might have come from Buddhism without labeling those suggestions as Buddhist.

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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby LXNDR » Fri May 30, 2014 6:36 pm

what makes sense is spreading knowledge, not beliefs or information, because in that case it will be honest

what makes sense is making (and even that not purpously) other people discover you and seek you out and not vice versa
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