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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby gben » Wed May 07, 2014 7:14 pm

beeblebrox wrote:This reminds me of the Lotus Sutra, except there is something which makes it a bit different. It says that the Buddha arises when there are people who are gentle, reverent and upright, but then that he disappears when people are perverse and arrogant. (Chapter 16, "The Lifespan of Tathagata."):anjali:


Time is best spent on ten who need a small push over the edge than one who needs all the time and still will never see the edge. But opportunities on the way to the market are not passed by.

Everything that is done in the course of daily life can serve as an example, who is watching when? Since the buddha is always aware of the self and it's actions, the buddha is always a good example to any who happen to be watching.

Those without self knowledge, those living in their own world never know when their actions are destructive, so their example is destructive.
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby gben » Wed May 07, 2014 7:22 pm

tiltbillings wrote:Do give us your definition, since you are the one making the claim about yourself.


What has not been the definition?
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby beeblebrox » Wed May 07, 2014 7:29 pm

gben wrote:Time is best spent on ten who need a small push over the edge than one who needs all the time and still will never see the edge. But opportunities on the way to the market are not passed by.


Hi GBen,

Who is this one guy?
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby tiltbillings » Wed May 07, 2014 7:31 pm

gben wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:Do give us your definition, since you are the one making the claim about yourself.


What has not been the definition?
Just give us a straightforward definition of "enlightenment" that would fit your self-claim.
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby Mkoll » Wed May 07, 2014 9:05 pm

gben,

You may think that speaking in riddles and paradoxes makes you enlightened. But all it shows is that you are clever, at best. Or you are very confused, at worst. Or a mix of both.

Sometimes you just have to admit you're wrong, confused, or ignorant in these "big question" matters. Getting some humility and calling BS on oneself is something some people never get around to in life. Don't be one of them. You're smarter than that.
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby gben » Thu May 08, 2014 8:09 pm

beeblebrox wrote:Hi GBen,Who is this one guy?


The one that refuses to contemplate.
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby gben » Thu May 08, 2014 8:10 pm

tiltbillings wrote:Just give us a straightforward definition of "enlightenment" that would fit your self-claim.


gben wrote:

The free can flip the switch at will, the free can be light or dark at will as is required.

The light is always there, the switch turns the dark on or off, the self on or off, the thought on or off.

You were born in the light and lost in the dark. You forgot where the switch is. When you remember where the switch is you will turn off the self and see the world again.

Finding the switch is your only priority. You will find it when you no longer wonder where it is or what it is.

Never think unless it helps the continuity of life, all other thoughts are destructive.
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby tiltbillings » Thu May 08, 2014 8:14 pm

gben wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:Just give us a straightforward definition of "enlightenment" that would fit your self-claim.


gben wrote:

The free can flip the switch at will, the free can be light or dark at will as is required.

The light is always there, the switch turns the dark on or off, the self on or off, the thought on or off.

You were born in the light and lost in the dark. You forgot where the switch is. When you remember where the switch is you will turn off the self and see the world again.

Finding the switch is your only priority. You will find it when you no longer wonder where it is or what it is.

Never think unless it helps the continuity of life, all other thoughts are destructive.
And this makes you a Buddha? According to who?
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby gben » Thu May 08, 2014 8:15 pm

Mkoll wrote:gben, You may think that speaking in riddles and paradoxes makes you enlightened.


It is the nature of communication. Specify what looks like a paradox or riddle to you and I will try to arrange it so it no longer does. If you assume everyone sees as you do then you, then they will do all sorts of strange things won't they?
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby purple planet » Thu May 08, 2014 9:06 pm

gben can you please tell us about yourself - no need to get into details like name and what city but in general like
what country are you from ? for how long do you practice ? what way did you use to meditate ?
Please send merit to my dog named Mika who has passed away - thanks in advance
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby Mkoll » Thu May 08, 2014 9:48 pm

gben wrote:
Mkoll wrote:gben, You may think that speaking in riddles and paradoxes makes you enlightened.


It is the nature of communication. Specify what looks like a paradox or riddle to you and I will try to arrange it so it no longer does. If you assume everyone sees as you do then you, then they will do all sorts of strange things won't they?


Sure. Here are a few.

gben wrote:This has never been before and never will again for it is dead.

There are no steps to freedom,there is only freedom and self.

You will find it when you no longer wonder where it is or what it is.

A debate is between two things, Since there are only two things to debate, only one debate is necessary..

What appears here is not thinking, only seeing. Anything written following "gben" can be found anywhere and everywhere else, it belongs to no one, look and see.

The only person who sees people are those who separate them from the rest of life.
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby SDC » Fri May 09, 2014 1:35 am

gben wrote:
SDC wrote:An awakened being would have no use for such a charade. In fact they would know it would do more harm than good. :zzz:


What set and dead definition of "enlightenment" are you using? Post it here and I will tell you how it appears from the real world. Or has it already been posted here?

Nothing is going to be physically harmed by these words. That leaves only some ego? Then you are saying these words are a positive force in the world.


You must have mistaken my post as a challenge. It wasn't. You've made yourself perfectly clear.
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby gben » Fri May 09, 2014 3:35 am

tiltbillings wrote:And this makes you a Buddha? According to who?


How many definitions are there for you to choose from? And what criteria will a single "who" use to choose one out of those many? What else is the "who" capable of besides choosing comfort? Therefore are not the choices of every "who" equal to one another and equally without merit?

The "who" is incapable of looking at a crowded room and picking out the buddha, so how could it look through a pile of books and say which are true and which are false?

Would it make sense that a buddha can see other buddhas, and that a buddha can look at a pile of books and say which is true?

Then it follows that if one does pick and choose then they are either a buddha, or they are choosing comfort, there are only two choices. As the who sees nothing but itself, the world it created and roams, whatever it chooses will not exist outside that world, it's choice is known nowhere else.

If you say you know another, then you have to say that another can know you, and can any other know you? Can the "who" even know itself if it has no view from the real world?

If you asked a buddha if they were a buddha there is no reason for them not to say "yes", I am awake, aware, free. Did not the historical buddha? Since all buddhas come from the same place, they will all have the same answer.

If someone writes down what you say today and it is read by another in three thousand years, are they going to know what it means or decide what it means? If it is read after three minutes will it have a better chance?

Put any definition you are comfortable with before a buddha and they will know it's origin. What is your choice?
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby gben » Fri May 09, 2014 3:50 am

purple planet wrote:gben can you please tell us about yourself - no need to get into details like name and what city but in general like
what country are you from ? for how long do you practice ? what way did you use to meditate ?


If what follows can not stand by itself then it is not real, for nothing real is dependent.

If something is "used" to meditate, then it is not meditation. If one sits cultivating an image, then all they will acquire is the ability to cultivate that image. If one needs a location or material object to "meditate" , then it is not meditation as only the self needs possessions. If the real world is not dependent on an image or any object, then why would anything that is real? When there is no image or object or thought then there is meditation and freedom.
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby waterchan » Fri May 09, 2014 3:56 am

Well, real is not virtual. And virtual is not real. But reality can have a virtual component and virtuality can have a real component. Meditation is about the reality of virtuality having a real component as much as it is about virtuality having a real component. But cultivating a real image requires a real object, even though cultivating a virtual image can be done by either a real or virtual object. But the fact is that virtual images are real. If not, why would anyone cultivate a virtually real object in reality? And I make as much sense as you do.
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby gben » Fri May 09, 2014 4:06 am

Mkoll wrote:
Sure. Here are a few.

gben wrote:This has never been before and never will again for it is dead.

There are no steps to freedom,there is only freedom and self.

You will find it when you no longer wonder where it is or what it is.

A debate is between two things, Since there are only two things to debate, only one debate is necessary..

What appears here is not thinking, only seeing. Anything written following "gben" can be found anywhere and everywhere else, it belongs to no one, look and see.

The only person who sees people are those who separate them from the rest of life.


Say this to yourself: "This has never been before and never will again for it is dead".

You have never been before and will never be again. The you of each moment is gone when the moment is gone.

"You will find it when you no longer wonder where it is or what it is. "

Definitions exist only for those who hold them. So that which is undefinable can never be seen by those who already know where it is and what it looks like.

"A debate is between two things, Since there are only two things to debate, only one debate is necessary.."

Only two things exist for YOU, and those two things are you and what is not you. To find freedom the only good use of time is that spent learning the difference.

I have to go, maybe I can finish another time.
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby purple planet » Fri May 09, 2014 4:14 am

purple planet wrote:gben can you please tell us about yourself - no need to get into details like name and what city but in general like
what country are you from ? for how long do you practice ? what way did you use to meditate ?



If what follows can not stand by itself then it is not real, for nothing real is dependent.

If something is "used" to meditate, then it is not meditation. If one sits cultivating an image, then all they will acquire is the ability to cultivate that image. If one needs a location or material object to "meditate" , then it is not meditation as only the self needs possessions. If the real world is not dependent on an image or any object, then why would anything that is real? When there is no image or object or thought then there is meditation and freedom.


so you didnt meditate and didnt do nothing else and you became a buddha all of a sudden ?
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby tiltbillings » Fri May 09, 2014 4:33 am

gben wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:And this makes you a Buddha? According to who?


How many definitions are there for you to choose from?
Yes, well, a lot of verbal dancing. Not very elegant, and not at all convincing. I wonder, however, beyond your trollish word-play schtick, if you actually anything to say. Seems not.
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby Mkoll » Fri May 09, 2014 6:15 am

gben wrote:Say this to yourself: "This has never been before and never will again for it is dead".

You have never been before and will never be again. The you of each moment is gone when the moment is gone.


If "you" never was before, there is no need to say it will never be again. How can it never be again if it never was before in the first place? What defines "you" in your system?

gben wrote:"You will find it when you no longer wonder where it is or what it is. "

Definitions exist only for those who hold them. So that which is undefinable can never be seen by those who already know where it is and what it looks like.

Are you making an epistemological statement here about definitions, positing that they "exist"? What is your definition of "definitions"? What defines "existence" in your system? What is their relationship to this "you"?

gben wrote:"A debate is between two things, Since there are only two things to debate, only one debate is necessary.."

Only two things exist for YOU, and those two things are you and what is not you. To find freedom the only good use of time is that spent learning the difference.

Again, your position depends on the definitions of the terms you use.

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Please provide concrete answers, not riddles or vagueness. If you can't clearly define your terms and make the specifics of your position clear, then I'm afraid we cannot communicate on this level much further. Your argument makes no sense to me as it stands now.
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby greeneggsandsam » Fri May 09, 2014 3:59 pm

If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough - Albert Einstein.
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