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Can We Hear Sound in Jhāna? - Page 4 - Dhamma Wheel
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No false modesty, I assure you. Everything I've done is derivative and based on the work of others. Eg paṭighasamphassaa la Ven Nanananda. The only extension I'm making is the heretical notion of kāyika vedana arising at all 6 senses, instead of just the 5....
Oh wait, that's not original. DN 22 and MN 148 have beat me to it.
Even if you don't have anything original to add, that doesn't mean what you say is of lesser value.
Seeing and pointing out the connections between ideas is just as important. It's the glue that holds ideas together.
Often what may be obvious to one person is a revelation for another. So it's good when smart and well-studied people speak their minds, as has been going on in this thread and many others on the forum, past and present.
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
In which part of the post that i stated sound is a better choice and not noise. Is it my english so terrible that you are unable to catch what my point is or you choose not to see?
Let me state a more straight forward remark: 'Sound/noise as a thorn to/in first jhana' would be unnecessary in the sutta, if not to serve its purpose as a warning. If it is beneficial to all, i would have said what is the nature of the noise. Normal sound/noise does not cause problem and jhana is still attainable; and within jhana sound is not heard. So obstacle/hindrances does not apply, in the practical sense, as long as it is not taken as an object at the stage of upacara samadhi.
Is there really such thing as sutta jhana and VM jhana? The question on so call 'sutta jhana' that i don't seems to be able to make sense of; and it is intriguing that the interpretation of the word 'thorn' which is a metaphor to be taken as, 'hindrance'/obstacle/nuisance/bother can survives, when you look at the regression process of Jhana 4 to Jhana 1, how does the precess being understood if it were to survive?
Last month I attended a dhamma talk with Ajahn Sujato and Ajahn Bramali as the speakers in HK. After the talk I asked Ajahn Sujato if there is any sutta reference about not hearing any sound in Jhana. I didn't totally catch his words (because of my poor English), but his main point was about the 5th jhana factor, ekaggata, already imply that one will not hear sound in jhana. Becasue form, sound, taste, small and touch are always changing, hence the corresponding consciousness is also changing. And one cannot satisfy the 5th factor with the changing consciousness.