Key component missing? Does the wheel turn smoothly without?

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“We cling to our own point of view, as though everything depended on it. Yet our opinions have no permanence; like autumn and winter, they gradually pass away.” ~ Chuang Tzu

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Postby 2pennyworth » Mon May 12, 2014 11:06 pm

I also recommend studying the 'Wheel of Life':

http://www.buddhanet.net/wheel2.htm

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“We cling to our own point of view, as though everything depended on it. Yet our opinions have no permanence; like autumn and winter, they gradually pass away.” ~ Chuang Tzu

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Postby VinceField » Tue May 13, 2014 12:21 am

From my understanding of Bhante's teachings, one method is to concentrate on breathing and relaxing, and another technique is metta/loving-kindness.

What do you see as the advantages and disadvantages of each technique?

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“We cling to our own point of view, as though everything depended on it. Yet our opinions have no permanence; like autumn and winter, they gradually pass away.” ~ Chuang Tzu

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Re: Key component missing? Does the wheel turn smoothly with

Postby VinceField » Tue May 13, 2014 1:08 am

I suppose I feel like creating the feeling of loving kindness is more of a fabrication than an experience of reality, a fabrication that perhaps can interfere with certain natural processes that would otherwise be encountered during mindfulness meditation. This is my initial thought after an intense period of vipassana meditation studies. I have yet to read or hear Bhante's teachings of metta so I will look into this and perhaps gain a better understanding.

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“We cling to our own point of view, as though everything depended on it. Yet our opinions have no permanence; like autumn and winter, they gradually pass away.” ~ Chuang Tzu

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Postby VinceField » Tue May 13, 2014 1:51 am

Will do. :bow:

Do you exclusively meditate on loving kindness or do you do breath relaxation too? I'm also curious as to when you switched to metta, what you were doing before metta, and what differences you saw in your development after the switch.

Thanks, your advice is very much appreciated! :thanks:

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“We cling to our own point of view, as though everything depended on it. Yet our opinions have no permanence; like autumn and winter, they gradually pass away.” ~ Chuang Tzu

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Postby dhammarelax » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:38 pm

Even if the flesh & blood in my body dry up, leaving just the skin, tendons, & bones, I will use all my human firmness, human persistence and human striving. There will be no relaxing my persistence until I am the first of my generation to attain full awakening in this lifetime. ed. AN 2.5

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Even if the flesh & blood in my body dry up, leaving just the skin, tendons, & bones, I will use all my human firmness, human persistence and human striving. There will be no relaxing my persistence until I am the first of my generation to attain full awakening in this lifetime. ed. AN 2.5

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Postby dhammarelax » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:52 pm

Check the suttas I quoted, you will see there what are the brahmaviharas recomended for. Also you can see that the brahmaviharas lead you higher than the 4rth Jhana.
Even if the flesh & blood in my body dry up, leaving just the skin, tendons, & bones, I will use all my human firmness, human persistence and human striving. There will be no relaxing my persistence until I am the first of my generation to attain full awakening in this lifetime. ed. AN 2.5

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Postby badscooter » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:00 pm

"whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon will be the inclination of one's mind"

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Postby Mkoll » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:02 pm

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Postby mikenz66 » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:01 am

Suttas such as this show that the BVs are one way of achieving samadhi, along with breath, and many others. Reading suttas like that alongside the Anapanasati sutta suggests that the particular object that one starts with (metta, breath, whatever) is not really the point, the insight into impermanence and so on is the point.

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"whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon will be the inclination of one's mind"

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