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Who experienced Jhana, and how?

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Re: Who experienced Jhana, and how?

Postby waterchan » Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:38 pm

quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur
(Anything in Latin sounds profound.)

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Re: Who experienced Jhana, and how?

Postby santa100 » Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:58 pm

That was Ven. Sanjiva in , who entered the Cessation of perception and feeling meditation. More info. from another thread

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Re: Who experienced Jhana, and how?

Postby waterchan » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:30 pm

Thanks for the sutta references, santa100. :smile:

On jhana, as David said, obviously some kind of indication is necessary to get the practice around and motivate people to meditate. And I sincerely wish from the bottom of my heart that more and more people can experience the blissful serenity of jhana which in my opinion is an extremely important step on the path. And if you have experienced jhana, fantastic, more power to you!

But the Internet is the wrong place for jhana claims. And the main reason is there are already more than enough self-proclaimed http jhana attainers, http stream winners, and http arahants, the vast majority of which we cannot verify due to the anonymity provided by the internet. A claim that cannot be verified adds little to the discussion.

By the way, I can enter the fourth jhana at will and I am also a millionaire.

Attainments are best divulged to a trustworthy monastic or lay teacher who is in a suitable position to assess your claims.
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Re: Who experienced Jhana, and how?

Postby waterchan » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:08 am

quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur
(Anything in Latin sounds profound.)

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Re: Who experienced Jhana, and how?

Postby fivebells » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:57 am

And that's fine, but that's not what I was responding to.

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Re: Who experienced Jhana, and how?

Postby SarathW » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:16 am

Please consider the following as well:

"When a monk is attaining the cessation of perception and feeling, friend Visakha, verbal fabrications cease first, then bodily fabrications, then mental fabrications."

http://buddhasutra.com/files/cula_vedalla_sutta.htm
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As SN 36:11 points out,
verbal fabrication is present in the first jh›na; bodily fabrication, in the first three
jh›nas; and mental fabrication, in all four jh›nas and the first four formless
dimensions based on the fourth jh›na.

Page 37
http://www.dhammatalks.org/Archive/Writ ... 120810.pdf
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Who experienced Jhana, and how?

Postby Modus.Ponens » Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:26 am

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Postby Modus.Ponens » Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:34 am

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Who experienced Jhana, and how?

Postby James the Giant » Mon May 12, 2014 11:22 pm

Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Re: Who experienced Jhana, and how?

Postby Modus.Ponens » Mon May 12, 2014 11:50 pm

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Who experienced Jhana, and how?

Postby fraaJad » Tue May 13, 2014 12:04 am

Hi James,

I understand that there is more than one definition of jhana out there. I am no expert on the different types, as this is the first style of meditation I've ever tried. But yes, I agree, this is not a "one-pointed" meditation that I'm doing, and the absorption is less than that taught in the VSM and (seemingly) by most teachers these days. The point being, when you're in this kind of jhana, you are still aware enough to gain insight by watching how things (thoughts, sounds, whatever) arise (i.e. dependent origination).

I can say that my experiences align to how I understand MN 111 and other suttas. Of course we all have our own interpretations. I'm not here to argue about my own experiences, but if you have any questions, please feel free to ask.

peace,
Jad

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Re: Who experienced Jhana, and how?

Postby 2pennyworth » Tue May 13, 2014 12:25 am

Voice of much needed pragmatic reason from Modus.ponens once again. :twothumbsup:
“We cling to our own point of view, as though everything depended on it. Yet our opinions have no permanence; like autumn and winter, they gradually pass away.” ~ Chuang Tzu

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Re: Who experienced Jhana, and how?

Postby SDC » Tue May 13, 2014 1:27 am

There's nothing like a quintessential jhana thread. :smile:

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