That space is not,but Nibbana is, What this means?

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That space is not,but Nibbana is, What this means?

Postby SarathW » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:08 am

I am reading this book:

http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/buddh ... gsurw6.pdf


Page 389
If Nibbāna is nothingness, then it necessarily must coincide
with space (Ākāsa). Both space and Nibbāna are eternal
and unchanging. The former is eternal because it is nothing
in itself. The latter is spaceless and timeless. With regard to
the difference between space and Nibbāna, it may briefly be
said that space is not, but Nibbāna is.

Page 390
The Nibbāna of Buddhists is, therefore, neither a state of nothingness
nor a mere cessation. What it is not, one can definitely
say. What precisely it is, one cannot adequately express in conventional
terms as it is unique. It is for self-realization (paccattam
veditabbo).

Can you explain this in some other way? Does it mean that there is something called Nibbana?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: That space is not,but Nibbana is, What this means?

Postby pegembara » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:46 am

Space is Nothing. But nibbana or emptiness is not nothingness but the realisation that time, space and objects are no-things ie. anatta. This is the point between existence and non-existence. Things neither exist nor don't exist but are empty or insubstantial. Their nature is to arise and pass away ie. anicca.
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: That space is not,but Nibbana is, What this means?

Postby SarathW » Fri May 16, 2014 3:21 am

He destroyed my Papanka! :tantrum:

All this time I thought Nibbana is!

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On an earlier occasion, too, we had to mention the fact that there
is quite a lot of confusion in this concern.33 Sakhata, the compounded,
is supposed to be a thing. And asakhata, or the uncompounded,
is also a thing. The compounded is an impermanent thing,
while the uncompounded is a permanent thing. The compounded is
fraught with suffering, and the uncompounded is blissful. The compounded
is not self, but the uncompounded is ... At this point the line
of argument breaks off.
...............
Let alone other concepts, not even Nibbana as a concept is to be
grasped. To grasp the concept of Nibbana is to slip into an error. So
from the couplet quoted above we clearly understand how subtle this
maññana is and why it is called an extremely subtle bondage of
Mara.

Page 290

http://www.seeingthroughthenet.net/file ... ed_III.pdf
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: That space is not,but Nibbana is, What this means?

Postby pegembara » Fri May 16, 2014 4:24 am

And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: That space is not,but Nibbana is, What this means?

Postby Mkoll » Fri May 16, 2014 4:31 am

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
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Re: That space is not,but Nibbana is, What this means?

Postby pegembara » Fri May 16, 2014 7:31 am

From Sarath's post above - Nibbana Sermons. P290
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: That space is not,but Nibbana is, What this means?

Postby Mkoll » Fri May 16, 2014 2:19 pm

:oops:
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Postby Mkoll » Sun May 18, 2014 3:55 pm

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: That space is not,but Nibbana is, What this means?

Postby SarathW » Wed May 28, 2014 1:09 am

I am in the roller coaster!
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"Nibbana is a truly existent state" (Sabhavadhamma)

P324
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/printguna.pdf

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So now that we have presented this synoptic verse, we propose to wind
up this series of sermons. As a matter of fact, the reason for many a
misconception about Nibbana is a lack of understanding the law of
dependent arising and the middle path. For the same reason, true to the
Buddha’s description of beings as taking delight in existence, bhavarama,
lusting for existence, bhavarata, and rejoicing in existence,
bhavasammudita,20 Nibbana came to be apprehensively misconstrued as
tantamount to annihilation. Therefore even commentators were scared of
the prospect of a cessation of existence and tried to explain away Nibbana
through definitions that serve to perpetuate craving for existence.

P713

http://www.seeingthroughthenet.net/file ... ed_VII.pdf
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”


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