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Re: masturbation what's wrong?

Postby christopher::: » Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:52 pm

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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Postby kc2dpt » Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:09 am

I don't think it matters, tilt. You get all up in arms that someone is going to read what the Buddha taught regarding sensual pleasures and think we're all uptight Puritans, or that they should feel shame and guilt that they don't live up to those standards... yet you see nothing wrong with an article which says "it's ok to dance lightly with sensual pleasures" and which speaks of a BDSM business as close to the Dhamma. Misunderstanding happens in both directions. Your fears of misunderstanding are not somehow more valid than christopher's or mine.

I think articles, and there are many, which say "there's nothing wrong with X as long as you are a lay person" are misleading people into a false Dhamma. And yes I understand that articles which present straight-up Dhamma can, through misunderstanding, scare people away from the Dhamma. It's a tricky thing trying to teach people.
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Re: masturbation what's wrong?

Postby chownah » Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:32 pm

I have not read the entire thread so please excuse me if I'm repeating this idea:
It is widely held that those having attained stream entry can still enjoy the pleasures of sex......if this is so then should we take this to mean that sexual pleasure is not as big of a hindrance as some might want us to believe (except perhaps to a few people who are "pleasure addicts")?....or should we who have not attained stream entry go ferret them (stream entrants) out with the purpose of warning them about the downside of masturbation and how it might inhibit their progress?

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Postby kc2dpt » Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:10 pm

chownah said we must indulge our desires in order to be able to gain insight into them. To not indulge our desires he called asceticism falling outside the middle way. If this were true, then the Buddha gave his monastic order instructions which fall outside the middle way. Since it is absurd that the Buddha would have done this, we can conclude chownah's statements are likewise absurd.
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