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Buddhism And The Scientific Method

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Re: Buddhism And The Scientific Method

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Re: Buddhism And The Scientific Method

Postby Mawkish1983 » Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:30 pm

I'm trying to unravel what you mean but I'm struggling. Can you maybe clarify a bit for me, why is science myth?

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Re: Buddhism And The Scientific Method

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:32 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Buddhism And The Scientific Method

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Re: Buddhism And The Scientific Method

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Re: Buddhism And The Scientific Method

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Re: Buddhism And The Scientific Method

Postby Mawkish1983 » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:28 pm

Two thoughts come to mind:

Firstly, why single out science as your focus in this 'nothing exists' delusion?

Secondly, how does this 'nothing exists' delusion fit with theravada? Any sutta references from the canon to back this up? Your views seem to me to be a bit "heart sutra" esque. As I recall, the Buddha didn't teach that nothing exists, but that nothing has self. Whether things exist or not didn't seem relevant to practice. I may, of course, be wrong.

Perhaps we should then say that 'in so much that phenomena either exist or not, science is not myth'.

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Re: Buddhism And The Scientific Method

Postby nomad » Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:14 am

One of my favorite sutta quotes can add to this topic.

Impermanent (anicca) are all component things,
They arise and cease, that is their nature:
They come into being and pass away,
Release from them is bliss supreme.

— Mahaa-Parinibbaana Sutta (DN 16)

I have read similar discussions to this one on so-called “skeptic” blogs and atheist forums and they never seemed to stop because of an endless pattern of circular reasoning and pseudo-philosophical nonsense. Ultimately, the view that nothing exists is, in my opinion, nothing more than delusional thinking. The Dhamma of the Theravada and modern scientific research share in the common view that the universe is impermanent (anicca) and always changing. There is nowhere in the Dhamma that says nothing exists and even if there were such a place, it would be inconsistent with the Four Noble Truths and the Buddha's other basic teachings.

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Re: Buddhism And The Scientific Method

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:56 pm

how much do you weigh?


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Buddhism And The Scientific Method

Postby Popo » Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:09 pm

I don't think Buddhism is Science... Both Buddhism and science are concerned with the truth though, so if both are correct, they must be compatible..

Science is a method of finding truth designed to help fallible, biased human beings get to the workings of nature. It assumes we're going to make mistakes and holds pretty rigorous epistemic requirements for making claims. (This is why scientific theories must be falsifiable and must make predictions.. The fact that some scientist says that "X is so in nature" isn't good enough. If what he says can't be proven wrong with evidence then he's a prophet or some sort of philosopher, not a scientist.)

Buddhism doesn't have require such rigorous methods because it doesn't assume the Buddha can be wrong. If I believe Buddha was enlightened in the way he claimed to be, I don't need some lab-tests to show karma and rebirth are true... Of course, if these things were testable and I think science works, then I'd assume that they would show up in the lab.

My .02 cents
Theoretical approaches have their place and are, I suppose, essential but a theory must be tempered with reality.
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Re: Buddhism And The Scientific Method

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Re: Buddhism And The Scientific Method

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<shrugs> Seems to me like arguing for arguing's sake, so I'm out :)


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