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samatha replacing sense pleasures

Postby befriend » Sat May 24, 2014 6:59 pm

is using samatha for indulgence the same thing as indulging in sense pleasures?
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Re: samatha replacing sense pleasures

Postby daverupa » Sat May 24, 2014 7:05 pm

It would be a case of 'micchasamatha' which seems possible, although I expect that this will be a samatha that is avoidant - e.g. one that seeks not to pair with vipassana. This also would be a case of not having ones practice revolve around sammaditthi, since the Goal will have been lost sight of, and as such would comprise one aspect of micchasamadhi.

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Re: samatha replacing sense pleasures

Postby daverupa » Sat May 24, 2014 8:02 pm

I suppose I don't consider that samatha = jhana; it's something I consider in terms of vipassana-samatha.

describes:

developing samatha --> developing citta --> fading of passion
developing vipassana --> enhanced panna --> fading of ignorance

Strictly speaking, this would suggest that a samatha integrous with the Dhamma leads naturally away from passion, which means that it has a natural velocity of renuniation, which is an aspect of sammasankappa - 'right intention'.

Jhana is how sensuality finally stops being a draw (MN 14); samatha is necessarily engaged prior to this.

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Re: samatha replacing sense pleasures

Postby befriend » Sat May 24, 2014 8:18 pm

I ask because my intention behind samatha for the sake of pleasure is to make renunciation of sense pleasures easier. so for example instead of smoking a cigarette I would do metta or mudita to get that high my mind is looking for. im not sure if this is correct renunciation because the joy I get from metta is impermanent just like the cigarette is.
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