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Re: Ajahn Brahm, unconventional

Postby James the Giant » Mon May 12, 2014 2:02 am

Hi Melancholy, there is an article by Ajahn Brahm somewhere, where he shows in the suttas it says an embryo is not classed as a person/human/sentient until a certain stage of development is reached.
So your vinaya references above are not relevant.
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Re: Ajahn Brahm, unconventional

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Re: Ajahn Brahm, unconventional

Postby chownah » Mon May 12, 2014 4:21 am

Arahant Brahm stresses that human life begins when consciousness becomes apparent. At the time of the Buddha this would have been when the mother first feels fetal movements I think. This would place the emergence of human life well past what most people accept.
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EDIT: should be "Ajahn Brahm"......don't know how I gave him a promotion to arahant.
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Re: Ajahn Brahm, unconventional

Postby manas » Mon May 12, 2014 4:22 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Ajahn Brahm, unconventional

Postby waterchan » Mon May 12, 2014 6:22 am

quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur
(Anything in Latin sounds profound.)

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Re: Ajahn Brahm, unconventional

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Mon May 12, 2014 10:46 am

:namaste:

You will not be punished FOR your 'emotions'; you will be punished BY your 'emotions'.



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Re: Ajahn Brahm, unconventional

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Mon May 12, 2014 4:09 pm

It resonates with me and I personally do not perceive any intended deceit or misleading teaching.

Thank you anyway for your caveat.

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You will not be punished FOR your 'emotions'; you will be punished BY your 'emotions'.



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Pay attention, simplify, and (Meditation instruction in a nutshell) "Mind - the Gap."
‘Absit invidia verbo’ - may ill-will be absent from the word. And mindful of that, if I don't respond, may be why....

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Re: Ajahn Brahm, unconventional

Postby ArkA » Tue May 13, 2014 5:04 pm

I'll restart my yearlong meditation retreat on 15th June 2014, hence will not be here.

"Bhikkhus, there are these three things that shine when exposed, not when concealed. What three? (1) The moon. (2) The sun. (3) The Dhamma and discipline proclaimed by the Tathagata."
- Anguttara Nikaya, 3.131, Paticchanna Sutta

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Re: Ajahn Brahm, unconventional

Postby Denisa » Sat May 17, 2014 1:54 am

In my honeymoon period with Buddhism (still not finished?), I was hypnotized by Ajan Brahm's talks, probably due to his slow alpha wave talking. Due to the availability on the web I tend to listen to many of his talks. The more I listened, I found that he brag about himself and disparages others mentioning their names. At a public talk given at Gaia House, Ajan Brahm criticized couple of other ajans for playing politics. Also, once he criticized Professor Peter Harvey about a meditative claim saying, "what meditation he knows!"

The person who broke me from Christianity was Krishnamurti, his teachings made me think differently. Here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQSBFC_IlVY at the end of the talk Ajan Brahm even look down on him.

IMHO, for a famous teacher like Ajan Brahm, it's more conducive if he simply mentions a situation without names and compare it with a Sutta pointing to the faults. That way people will gain more faith in Buddhism and the way Buddhists deal in real life.

One teaching Ajan Brahm repeatedly talk about is not to find fault with others. At least he should practice what he preached.

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Re: Ajahn Brahm, unconventional

Postby Crazy cloud » Sat May 17, 2014 6:17 am

Hi, I like Krishnamurti's lectures, and there is one thing that he always try to hammer in to my mind, and that is: dont belive in Krishnamurti - dont belive in gurus - dont belive in prophets - be a light on to oneself ...

And that's what I follow, so who is there to blame?

Besides that, I highly regard many of our dear ajhans, and Ajhan Brahm surely has a place in my puzzle called "walking the path" - but he's also a human and I respect his shortcomings as well of his experiences and inspiring manner and wit.

be well and happy :)
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Re: Ajahn Brahm, unconventional

Postby mikenz66 » Sat May 17, 2014 6:51 am

See these threads on Krishnamurti:
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=305
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=11184

I've nothing against Krishnamurti (or most other spiritual teachers), and I'm sure his talks and writings are helpful to many, but it appears that stating that he was not a Buddhist practitioner is an accurate statement.

Ajahn Brahm's comment from about 47:38 in the above linked video also seems to be quite consistent with some of the comments on the threads I've quoted above.

Clearly no one is perfect (neither Ajahn Brahm nor Krishnamurti).

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Re: Ajahn Brahm, unconventional

Postby waterchan » Sat May 17, 2014 12:29 pm

quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur
(Anything in Latin sounds profound.)

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Re: Ajahn Brahm, unconventional

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Re: Ajahn Brahm, unconventional

Postby hermitwin » Sat May 17, 2014 3:45 pm

I have been following ajahn brahm's teachings for a few years now.
I think he is a wonderful teacher, wise, creative, humorous and compassionate.
I disagree with the criticisms of him.
But that is not important.
He is what he is, people can say what they want about him but nobody can change the truth.
I am reminded of this verse though...

According to the Lord Buddha Gotama, no one is blameless.

"This, O Atula, is an old saying;
it is not one of today only:
they blame those who sit silent,
they blame those who speak too much.

Those speaking little too they blame.

There never was, there never will be, nor does there exist now, a person who is wholly blamed or wholly praised"

--Dhammapada verse 227/228

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Re: Ajahn Brahm, unconventional

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Re: Ajahn Brahm, unconventional

Postby manas » Sat May 31, 2014 7:20 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Ajahn Brahm, unconventional

Postby waterchan » Sat May 31, 2014 11:44 am

quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur
(Anything in Latin sounds profound.)

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Re: Ajahn Brahm, unconventional

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