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Buddhists are losers?

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Re: Buddhists are losers?

Postby Paribbajaka » Thu May 29, 2014 12:09 pm

I actually think that this can be applied to followers of any religions. Christians that take Jesus' teachings on worldly wealth seriously, Hindus that take the ascetic path, etc. There are Buddhists that pursue worldly success and the spiritual life at the same time (canonically obviously Anathapindaka but many who are alive today as well) much as there are Christians/Muslims/Hindus who do the same. It is also important to remember the Pali Canon has pieces such as the Mangala Sutta which are clearly aimed at those who are still in the world.
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Re: Buddhists are losers?

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your name Mori means forest like the infinite fresh green distances of your blindness

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Re: Buddhists are losers?

Postby Modus.Ponens » Thu May 29, 2014 5:40 pm

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Buddhists are losers?

Postby ihrjordan » Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:32 am

Even if Buddhists are losers in worldly terms what does that really mean? Being a winner means having to be around people all the time, make money, gain fame, entertain people (I could go on and on) Why is it really so bad to be a loser? For me personally it doesn't sound to bad to know we're all worthless it's like a weight lifted off your shoulders to know that you're worth nothing.Quite simply it feels like freedom. I think the real problem is everyone thinks they're special and destined for greatness and fame, renown...blah blah blah and as a result you have all these SELF THOUGHT supermodels, intellects, movie stars, w.e. Seriously being a loser is probably the best thing in the world to be Using the literal meaning and playing off the word :toast:
"Ko imaṃ pathaviṃ vicessati, yamalokañca imaṃ sadevakaṃ.
ko dhammapadaṃ sudesitaṃ, kusalo pupphamiva pacessati"

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Re: Buddhists are losers?

Postby Denisa » Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:16 am

I saw two separate threads about two elder monks (20 or so years in robe) leaving the Order due to falling in love with two women. From the posts there it seems some considered them as losers, I do feel the same. I remember reading Buddha saying one who disrobe due to a woman is similar to a warrior who run away after losing the battle.

Also, I heard a story where a boy asking permission to ordain and the parents and relatives accused him of being a looser for not developing a career, earning money, having a wife and children...

In the end three of them are Buddhist losers in their respective context. But I think in Dhamma way becoming the biggest loser (an Arahant) is the highest goal which will make one to lose the Samsara for ever.

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Postby pegembara » Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:54 am

And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: Buddhists are losers?

Postby walkart » Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:14 am

A strog one is not the one who win over everybody, a strong one is the one who once win over himself.

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"My religion is very simple - my religion is ice-cream."
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Re: Buddhists are losers?

Postby manas » Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:30 am

I can recall an agonizing day in which many troubles regarding interactions with other people kept plaguing my mind. I could find almost no peace at all, and upon investigation discovered that i was suffering from 'status anxiety'. I contemplated how the Buddha had said that 'praise and blame' are just these worldly conditions that always alternate for us, and I thought "what would it be like to let go of this status anxiety, and really and truly stop caring what other people think about me - to really not give a rats' about it, to only listen to wise folks whom I respect, and as for the fools, to really and truly not worry about what they think of me?" And somehow I was able to let go for a while. As I walked down the street that day, going to this vacant car park that I sometimes use for walking meditation, I can recall how happy I felt, and I thought "wow I never knew how blissful it could be, to live without attachment to either praise or blame in this life". I noticed that, for the rest of that day, people seemed to be able to sense my new attitude, and actually treated me with a bit more respect than usual. I really ought to try it more often. In other words, who cares if some folks label us as 'losers'? In their minds maybe, but really why should we give a rats' what they think? I would say that my overall happiness level is now higher than at any other time since early childhood, despite my status according to mainstream society being quite low (I'm currently unemployed and always struggling to get by from week to week in the material sense). But I don't call that being a 'loser' in any way...although my mind can still give me quite a bit of trouble if I let it, overall, I'm more content than I have been in years. And not because everything is ok all the time, just because, the Dhamma seems to have that effect over the long term...

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Re: Buddhists are losers?

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:15 pm

"Buddhists are losers?"

Only to the extent that one compares oneself to the world. http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

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Re: Buddhists are losers?

Postby Denisa » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:10 pm

In order to lose something, first, one has to posses it (either material or immaterial). Those who goes after gain, status, censure, and pleasure will someday face loss, disgrace, praise, and pain. Therefore one who posses less lose less, perhaps nothing.

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