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Literal and Figurative.

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Literal and Figurative.

Postby vinasp » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:14 pm

Hi everyone,

The ordinary man------------------------ The noble disciple.
Understands in a literal way --------- Understands in a figurative way.

Birth ------------------------------------------ Birth.
Decay --------------------------------------- Decay.
Death ---------------------------------------- Death.
The three realms ------------------------ The three realms.
The 31 planes ---------------------------- The 31 planes.
Deva's -------------------------------- ------Deva's.
This world --------------------------------- This world.
Another world ----------------------------- Another world.
Rebirth -------------------------------------- Rebirth.
The aggregates -------------------------- The aggregates.
The six-bases ---------------------------- The six-bases.
Contact ------------------------------------- Contact.

Regards, Vincent.

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Re: Literal and Figurative.

Postby SamKR » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:42 pm

If these words were to be understood (by noble disciples) in mere figurative way, the suttas would have stated that.

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Re: Literal and Figurative.

Postby Spiny Norman » Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:51 am

"My religion is very simple - my religion is ice-cream."
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Re: Literal and Figurative.

Postby vinasp » Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:54 pm

Hi SamKR,

SamKR said:-"If these words were to be understood (by noble disciples) in mere figurative way, the suttas would have stated that."

If we re-phrase your remark like this:

If these words were to be understood by noble disciples as psychological events or processes, the suttas would have stated that.

Then would you also make that statement?

Regards, Vincent.

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Re: Literal and Figurative.

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Re: Literal and Figurative.

Postby vinasp » Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:52 pm

Hi Spiny,

Spiny said:-"I really struggle with the idea that the "true" meanings of the teachings is made very obscure and "hidden away" in the suttas. I don't see why a teacher would take this approach."

Buddhism would not have become a major religion due to the 'real teaching' because too few people could understand it. So the real teaching was included in another easy-to-understand teaching.

This outer teaching serves as a vehicle for Buddhism to be spread far and wide. It is a good teaching in itself and meets the needs of most people.

But it does not enable one to attain permanent liberation in this life, for that one needs the 'real teaching.'

"And what is the assembly trained in vain talk, not in interrogation?
Here, in this kind of asembly, when those discourses spoken by the Tathagata are being recited that are deep, deep in meaning, world-transcending, connected with emptyness, the bhikkhus do not want to listen to them, do not lend an ear to them, or apply their minds to understand them: they do not think those teachings should be studied and learned...." [BB, TNDB, page 163, from AN 2.47]

I can imagine these bhikkhus saying:"Deeper meaning! There is no deeper meaning."

Regards, Vincent.

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Re: Literal and Figurative.

Postby acinteyyo » Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:07 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Literal and Figurative.

Postby chownah » Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:34 am

I'm not sure if literal and figurative are the best words to describe the differences in understanding although I do think they make a reasonable distinction. Clearly there is a difference in how ordinary and noble people view things as the Buddha expressed with his teaches on Right View with Effluents and Right View without Effluents.
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Re: Literal and Figurative.

Postby Spiny Norman » Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:44 am

"My religion is very simple - my religion is ice-cream."
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Re: Literal and Figurative.

Postby Spiny Norman » Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:48 am

"My religion is very simple - my religion is ice-cream."
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Re: Literal and Figurative.

Postby acinteyyo » Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:28 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.


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