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Is water sprinkle blessing allowed in vinaya and sutta?

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Is water sprinkle blessing allowed in vinaya and sutta?

Postby faraway » Sun Jun 08, 2014 10:39 am

I often saw that in the end of dhamma talks by bhikkhu, the monks will give water sprinkle blessing (although not all blessing use water sprinkle). It looks like this if you haven't known: the main monk will chant paritta, then while the monk is chanting, the other monks will walk around the audiences and sprinks the (holy?) water on them. The audiences will be told to keep silent and make anjali gesture (not mandatory at all) while the blessing is ongoing. When the chanting is done, the water sprinkle will stop too.

My questions:
1. Is water sprinkle blessing (or general blessing) allowed in vinaya and sutta?

2. Does blessing really has benefit for the people? I worry the blessing will make buddhists to grow attachment to rites and rituals.

I often thought when I got the water sprinkle (especially if it's done by forest monks), some good things will happen to me later :D


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Re: Is water sprinkle blessing allowed in vinaya and sutta?

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Sun Jun 08, 2014 10:52 am

I know this blessing is extremely common and prevalent in Roman Catholicism. It is a symbolic 're-baptism' of the Flock, a bringing together the faithful; a reminder that they are baptised into the Catholic faith by their love of Christ, who was also baptised, in the River Jordan, by his cousin, John (named 'The Baptist').

However, I personally have never heard of, or seen this practice in a Buddhist Theravada temple...

I'm sure you are right in the account. I have simply neither ever seen it or had it happen to me.

Of course, others may have different experiences.
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Re: Is water sprinkle blessing allowed in vinaya and sutta?

Postby faraway » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:03 am

I live in Indonesia, mahayana and theravada sects are equally dominant here. I often saw the practice from theravada monks here (and maybe mahayana too, I don't quite remember). Even I had ever seen ajahn brahm giving a blessing too in a dhamma talk here before, but he was only chanting (as he is the main monk who gives a talk), and the water sprinkle task were done by local monks.

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Re: Is water sprinkle blessing allowed in vinaya and sutta?

Postby Denisa » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:17 am

Appreciate mod help to delete this post since I merged it to make it clear, thank you.
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Re: Is water sprinkle blessing allowed in vinaya and sutta?

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:22 am

I don't think that's the point... I think the question is, 'why do it at all?'
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Re: Is water sprinkle blessing allowed in vinaya and sutta?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:27 am

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Re: Is water sprinkle blessing allowed in vinaya and sutta?

Postby Denisa » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:31 am

Appreciate mod help to delete this post since I merged it to make it clear, thank you.
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Re: Is water sprinkle blessing allowed in vinaya and sutta?

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:45 am

To be honest with you, I can't see how.
And I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm sincerely having difficulty in seeing a connection....
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Re: Is water sprinkle blessing allowed in vinaya and sutta?

Postby cooran » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:59 am

Hello all,

This previous May be of interest:

Theravada water rite?
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=18090

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Re: Is water sprinkle blessing allowed in vinaya and sutta?

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Re: Is water sprinkle blessing allowed in vinaya and sutta?

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Re: Is water sprinkle blessing allowed in vinaya and sutta?

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:31 pm

:namaste:

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Re: Is water sprinkle blessing allowed in vinaya and sutta?

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:55 pm

Clearly if someone takes these rituals the wrong way, they are unhelpful. I see riturals such as water sprinkling as part of a rejoicing of merit, which does, of course, have sutta support, and positive effects on one's mind.

See, for example, the links and discussion here: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=20959&p=294610#p294610

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Re: Is water sprinkle blessing allowed in vinaya and sutta?

Postby Sam Vara » Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:29 pm

We are sprinkled every new year at Cittaviveka when we do the "Refuges and Precepts" ceremony with Ajahn Sucitto. Sometimes at Wesak too. Most of the western converts just enjoy the aspect of reverence, or treat it as good fun.

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Re: Is water sprinkle blessing allowed in vinaya and sutta?

Postby Mr Man » Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:49 am

Last time I visited Amaravati I was blessed with water from Lake Manasarovar.

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Re: Is water sprinkle blessing allowed in vinaya and sutta?

Postby mikenz66 » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:30 am

Cool! ( :tongue: ). From Ajahn Amaro's sojourn in Tibet?

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