Was 9/11 an inside job?

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Was 9/11 an inside job?

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Right now, I'm watching a 2-hour documentary on this, on National Geographic, with a friend. He believes 9/11 conspiracy theories. I don't.

The documentary pretends to be neutral, but the fact is that the evidence opposes the conspiracy theory unless you reject all official sources of information and engage in wild speculation about anecdotal or non-official sources of information.

Because most Buddhists are left wing, statistically at least one person here likely believes in this sort of stuff... What do you all think?
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Individual wrote:Right now, I'm watching a 2-hour documentary on this, on National Geographic, with a friend. He believes 9/11 conspiracy theories. I don't.

The documentary pretends to be neutral, but the fact is that the evidence opposes the conspiracy theory unless you reject all official sources of information and engage in wild speculation about anecdotal or non-official sources of information.

Because most Buddhists are left wing, statistically at least one person here likely believes in this sort of stuff... What do you all think?
I DVRed the same show, will comment after I watch it :)

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Hello All,

Unfortunately, whatever the truth is and whatever the evidence really points to, if you believe in any "conspiracy theories" you tend to get ridiculed by the majority. Mainstream media especially indulges in and encourages this kind of ridicule. I don't want to be labeled a conspiracy theorist because of all the stigma that goes along with it. However, from what I have seen, there are lots of holes in the official story which politicians and the mainstream media have force fed the general public in the Western world.

I don't really want to get into a debate, there are plenty of people better informed than I am to do that, but I would warn against the suggestion that anyone who doesn't want to go along with the official story is wearing a tinfoil hat.

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This a decent look at the conspiracy theory idea:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And here is a listing, albeit partial of conspiracy theories:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... y_theories" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Its interesting.
Last night on '4 Corners' (the most respected current affairs program in Aus) was a special report on the London '7/7' bombings from a few years ago in particular the distribution and authorship of an underground DVD 'documentary' challenging the official account. It was particularly interesting as it explored the conspiracy claims made by the author of "7/7 ripple effect'.

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/ ... 668927.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Its a very interesting documentary for a number of different reasons, but for me, it was an interesting to delve into the phenomenon of the conspiracy theory.
Check it out if you can. Originally produced and broadcast by the BBC.

Trailer:
http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/con ... 2811417407" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I'm doubtful most of the time when theories suggest an "inside job" but do think that throughout history there have been times when leaders looked the other way or arranged for those in defensive positions to "stand down." Why did Lincoln's guard walk away right before his assassin arrived? Why weren't all the windows and roofs in Dallas checked and guarded as JFK drove by, and why was he allowed to ride with the top down, etc..?

I wouldn't be surprised in some folks somewhere, in positions of power, knew something about the plans of Al Qaida and looked the other way... but I would doubt that the 9/11 was "engineered" by anyone, on the inside....
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Greetings,

Slightly off-topic...

It looks like it's nearly the 8 year anniversary. It's good to see that collectively, the U.S.A. seems to be healing.

Today's episode of Simpsons was the episode where Homer and family go to New York to retrieve his car... rather surreal seeing the Twin Towers play a prominent role in the episode.

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retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

Slightly off-topic...

It looks like it's nearly the 8 year anniversary. It's good to see that collectively, the U.S.A. seems to be healing.
Maybe not so much. There is a sizable segment that seems to be having a serious problem with having a black man as president - a good hunk of the Republican Party. They want him to fail. Then there are the "birthers" - those racist clowns who think Obama was was born in Kenya, which is a way of saying - as said about blacks in general - he is not one of us. And so it goes.
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Greetings Tilt,

Sure, but they'd be doing this regardless of 9/11 wouldn't they? Wouldn't a more plausible explanation be because he's (half) black, and the racists can't bear to have a black president?

My healing comment was specific to 9/11...

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I dislike conspiracy theories, but I also dislike shutting out well-argued possibilities that use evidence as a foundation.

Here is a pretty good documentary (it's in three parts) on the 9/11 tragedy.

http://www.911weknow.com/911-mysteries-english
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THanks Adam
I'll be sure to check that one out.

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retrofuturist wrote:Today's episode of Simpsons was the episode where Homer and family go to New York to retrieve his car... rather surreal seeing the Twin Towers play a prominent role in the episode.
I was watching that one too with my kids earlier this evening.
Everytime Homer did something stupid, my kids would call out..that's you dad!
And sometimes, quietly to myself, I was agreeing with them!
Cheers

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some folks somewhere, in positions of power, knew something about the plans of Al Qaida and looked the other way

Isn't this the modus of many politicians, and why they can be so very frightening, and so unloveable? They really don't seem to give a toss sometimes.
Witness Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib ..dodgy dossiers to justify war, "extraordinary rendition".. you don't really need to look for "conspiracy theories".

The bottom line is.. "Who's interests are being served here?"

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