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The Great Betrayal of Theravada Buddism

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Re: The Great Betrayal of Theravada Buddism

Postby Kasina » Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:53 am

"This world completely lacks essence;
It trembles in all directions.
I longed to find myself a place
Unscathed — but I could not see it."


Sn 4.15 PTS: Sn 935-951 "Attadanda Sutta: Arming Oneself"

"You will be required to do wrong no matter where you go... This is the curse at work, the curse that feeds on all life..."

Wilbur Mercer in Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

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Re: The Great Betrayal of Theravada Buddism

Postby mikenz66 » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:11 am

Well, they do make some interesting points (Ven Nanananda much more than Ven Nanavira, in my view) but as far as I'm concerned, it's a matter of taste whose particular interpretations you find useful... It's not as if any commentators can prove that their interpretation is the only possible one.

But perhaps we should get back to the topic. I guess one interesting question is whether the blame for the (alleged) misguided emphasis on "merit making" really originates from misleading statements in the Commentaries, or whether it is from ignorance of the Dhamma on the part of the merit makers.

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Re: The Great Betrayal of Theravada Buddism

Postby Kasina » Mon Jun 09, 2014 4:11 pm

"This world completely lacks essence;
It trembles in all directions.
I longed to find myself a place
Unscathed — but I could not see it."


Sn 4.15 PTS: Sn 935-951 "Attadanda Sutta: Arming Oneself"

"You will be required to do wrong no matter where you go... This is the curse at work, the curse that feeds on all life..."

Wilbur Mercer in Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

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Re: The Great Betrayal of Theravada Buddism

Postby Mkoll » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:21 pm

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: The Great Betrayal of Theravada Buddism

Postby Mkoll » Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:27 pm

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: The Great Betrayal of Theravada Buddism

Postby SarathW » Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:44 am

:goodpost: Mike
I certainly agree with you.
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Re: The Great Betrayal of Theravada Buddism

Postby pegembara » Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:08 am

And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: The Great Betrayal of Theravada Buddism

Postby SarathW » Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:22 am

Thanks Pegembra.
It is very interesting.
I wonder why he did not mention Dukkha and Anatta.
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Re: The Great Betrayal of Theravada Buddism

Postby Mkoll » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:56 am

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: The Great Betrayal of Theravada Buddism

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:14 am

It seems that in some circumstances only one member of a list is mentioned (in this case anicca). Another argument would be that anicca implies the other two, as in the .

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Re: The Great Betrayal of Theravada Buddism

Postby pegembara » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:29 am

And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.


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