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Alternative translation for arising & passing away

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Alternative translation for arising & passing away

Postby dhammapal » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:56 am

Hi,

I like the 1934 PTS translation of the Anguttara Nikaya with the translation "insight into the way of growth and decay". Arising and passing away sounds like something that happens waving a magic wand.

Any comments?

Thanks / dhammapal.






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Re: Alternative translation for arising & passing away

Postby Sanjay PS » Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:18 am

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Re: Alternative translation for arising & passing away

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:08 am

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Re: Alternative translation for arising & passing away

Postby phongdharma » Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:10 pm

How does "the knowing" in Thai Forest Tratidion relate to this? To my understanding, it seems to be a "constant" knower that's always there, even the sight, sound, smell, taste, touch, mental formation comes and goes. The sounds comes and goes, but the knowing is always there. Knowing that the sound is there, and knowing that the sound has gone. Sounds like the concept of buddha's nature, or the unborn in zen.

Any thought?

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Re: Alternative translation for arising & passing away

Postby Neonative » Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:03 am

I am currently using the words 'appearance and disappearance'. How do we feel about using these words to describe what we are trying to mean by arising and passing away?

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Re: Alternative translation for arising & passing away

Postby yikeren » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:39 am

As this is the Pali stream, can I request that questioners and commentators make a habit of quoting the respective Pali text so that we can learn the original language rather than simply the translations.

I do appreciate all of your contributions.

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Re: Alternative translation for arising & passing away

Postby SamKR » Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:57 am

"Arising and passing away", or "appearance and disappearance", or "rise and fall" all seem okay to me. Each of these different translations may point us towards a little bit different "pointee" (depending upon the subtle differences of meaning of these terms we may carry in our minds), and that may make some difference in results of our practice.
Also, "being and non-being" may also be ok. Though I am not sure whether it is grammatically correct, it points me towards a little bit different but useful understanding.


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