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Getting closer to the breath

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
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Getting closer to the breath

Postby Myotai » Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:32 pm

Hi everyone,

How can I get closer to my breath? When doing Anapana it always feels like it disappears almost as soon as I focus on it. Like it's hidden. Not physically absent because I'm conscious of it. Just not aware.

Thanks...

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Re: Getting closer to the breath

Postby daverupa » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:38 am

Well, steps 1 & 2 involve knowing long or short, which I suppose is a sort of focus, but this is promptly expanded in step 3 which is also the first use of the word 'training', instead of simply 'discerning'.

So, when I asked which steps of anapanasati task us with a focus on the breath - since a focus on the breath was a trouble, in the OP - I was trying to clarify the approach being taken. Even though the breath underlies all the steps, it's not a focus - calming sankhara is.

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Finally, it's possible that noting breathing and focusing on that is seated kayagatasati, not anapanasati, which might also be clarificatory since seated satipatthana can indeed involve certain foci that anapanasati does not.

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Re: Getting closer to the breath

Postby Myotai » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:18 am

Ok got a laptop now and not a phone! :coffee:

My 'problem' is this. I sit, I settle. I reach 'off sensation' of the body. I direct my mind to the breath. So no further than this really. Its at this point that the breath in whatever form is elusive. I am nothing more than concious that there is something there to focus upon. But its so nebulous as to be almost just conceptual. Like the old saying says, its like trying to catch a feather on a fan. I can't seem to be able to anchor my mind on anything tangiable to even begin to facilitate access concentration let alone anything else.

Could it be that this practice is just not for me? Should I be taking the hint or sticking with it and perservering?

Thanks again!

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Re: Getting closer to the breath

Postby daverupa » Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:46 pm

I'm not sure what the practice is that you're doing, as yet. You seem to get all the way to a good beginning, and then you say you have nowhere to go...

I mean, once you're aware of the breath in the way you describe, what's next? Are you trying to do some sort of blank mind thing, or do you forget to move on to step three, or what are you up to otherwise?

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Re: Getting closer to the breath

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:49 am

Hi Myotai,

Are you following some particular instructions? Try something by a teacher like Ajahn Brahm, or one of the other teachers mentioned on this thread:
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.ph ... 37#p296291

:anjali:
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Re: Getting closer to the breath

Postby Myotai » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:03 am

Thanks again!

I'll have a look.

I did used to use the breath as my main pratice for a long time....just lost my mojo I guess!

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Re: Getting closer to the breath

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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa


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