Hello all,
I'm looking for biographies of teachers and practitioners who had faith (saddha) on a central or an important place of their personal spiritual way.
It seems that for most Christian or Tibetan 'saints' faith played most important role, but do you know any theravadins who benefited much from their devotion?
saddhānusāri's and saddhā-vimutta's or faithful theravadins
saddhānusāri's and saddhā-vimutta's or faithful theravadins
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Re: saddhānusāri's and saddhā-vimutta's or faithul theravadins
Greetings Oleksandr,
The first thing that comes to mind is that faith and wisdom need to be in balance, so that if any were successful on account of their faith, it would only be because of the conjoinment with wisdom.
Metta,
Retro.
The first thing that comes to mind is that faith and wisdom need to be in balance, so that if any were successful on account of their faith, it would only be because of the conjoinment with wisdom.
Metta,
Retro.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
Re: saddhānusāri's and saddhā-vimutta's or faithul theravadins
Hi Oleksandr,
I agree with Retro. Saddha/Faith and Panna/Wisdom must be developed side by side. In extreme cases faith without wisdom leads to holy wars and suicide cults all in the name of "religion". Real religion should be based on wisdom as much as faith.
With Metta,
Guy
I agree with Retro. Saddha/Faith and Panna/Wisdom must be developed side by side. In extreme cases faith without wisdom leads to holy wars and suicide cults all in the name of "religion". Real religion should be based on wisdom as much as faith.
With Metta,
Guy
Four types of letting go:
1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things
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1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things
- Ajahn Brahm
Re: saddhānusāri's and saddhā-vimutta's or faithul theravadins
Thanks Retro and Guy! I agree with your points in general.
But I would like to repeat the question:
I'm looking for biographies of teachers and practitioners who had faith (saddha) on a central or an important place of their personal spiritual way.
Do you know any?
But I would like to repeat the question:
I'm looking for biographies of teachers and practitioners who had faith (saddha) on a central or an important place of their personal spiritual way.
Do you know any?
Re: saddhānusāri's and saddhā-vimutta's or faithul theravadins
Hi,
Ajaan Mun had faith that arahantship was still possible, contrary to the 'official line' which stated that no one can even practice jhānas, let alone attaining path and fruits.Oleksandr wrote:Do you know any?
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Re: saddhānusāri's and saddhā-vimutta's or faithul theravadins
Any teacher who has attained to a level of ariya will have had faith, but maybe you need to tell us what you mean by faith.Oleksandr wrote:Thanks Retro and Guy! I agree with your points in general.
But I would like to repeat the question:
I'm looking for biographies of teachers and practitioners who had faith (saddha) on a central or an important place of their personal spiritual way.
Do you know any?
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
Re: saddhānusāri's and saddhā-vimutta's or faithul theravadins
Hello all,
This may be of interest:
Does Saddha mean Faith? Parts I and II - Ñanamoli Thera
http://www.bps.lk/new_wheels_library/wh ... aMeanFaith" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?
metta
Chris
This may be of interest:
Does Saddha mean Faith? Parts I and II - Ñanamoli Thera
http://www.bps.lk/new_wheels_library/wh ... aMeanFaith" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?
metta
Chris
---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---
Re: saddhānusāri's and saddhā-vimutta's or faithul theravadins
Particularly, do you know any teachers whose main meditation object was recollection of Buddha or Sangha, Dhamma, devas, Peace?
Or in terms of 5 indriyas: some meditators are best in jhanas (samadhi), some are very mindful (sati), some are doing best with vipassana insights (pañña).
And are you aware of any teachers, monks or practitioners whose strongest power is in their saddha or viriya?
Or in terms of 5 indriyas: some meditators are best in jhanas (samadhi), some are very mindful (sati), some are doing best with vipassana insights (pañña).
And are you aware of any teachers, monks or practitioners whose strongest power is in their saddha or viriya?
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Re: saddhānusāri's and saddhā-vimutta's or faithful theravadins
You could include pretty much all the well-known Thai Ajahns in this category, that is how their mind works, they have strong Saddha (with the exception of people like Ajahn Buddhadasa and even Ajahn Chah, who had more investigative minds).
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Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)
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Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)
Access to Insight - Theravada texts
Ancient Buddhist Texts - Translations and history of Pali texts
Dhammatalks.org - Sutta translations
Re: saddhānusāri's and saddhā-vimutta's or faithful theravadins
Dziękuję, Piotr and děkuji vám, Bhante!
Bhante, can you please name several Ajahns of this 'category' whose teachings you personally like?'
Bhante, can you please name several Ajahns of this 'category' whose teachings you personally like?'
Re: saddhānusāri's and saddhā-vimutta's or faithful theravadins
You can simply look up http://www.forestdhammabooks.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and pretty much all of this tradition fall in this category (Ajahn Khao, Ajahn Maha Boowa, Mae Chee Kaew, etc.).
Bhikkhu Gavesako
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)
Access to Insight - Theravada texts
Ancient Buddhist Texts - Translations and history of Pali texts
Dhammatalks.org - Sutta translations
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)
Access to Insight - Theravada texts
Ancient Buddhist Texts - Translations and history of Pali texts
Dhammatalks.org - Sutta translations
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Re: saddhānusāri's and saddhā-vimutta's or faithul theravadins
Within traditional Theravada these recollections, while useful, are not considered as bases for insight.Oleksandr wrote:Particularly, do you know any teachers whose main meditation object was recollection of Buddha or Sangha, Dhamma, devas, Piece?
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
Re: saddhānusāri's and saddhā-vimutta's or faithul theravadins
Hi,
But on a broader plane one can consider them as a good means to the nibbāna:tiltbillings wrote:Within traditional Theravada these recollections, while useful, are not considered as bases for insight.
- "And what, bhikkhus, is that way going upwards, which leads to utter disenchantment ... to Nibbāna. Here, bhikkhus, a noble disciple possesses confirmed confidence in the Buddha thus: 'The Blessed One is ... teacher of devas and humans, the Enlightened One, the Blessed One.' He possesses confirmed confidence in the Dhamma ... in the Sangha ... He possesses the virtues dear to the noble ones, unbroken ... leading to concentration.
"This, bhikkhus, is that way going upwards, which leads to utter disenchantment, to dispassion, to cessation, to peace, to direct knowledge, to enlightenment, to Nibbāna."
— Brāhmaṇa-sutta: The Brahmins (SN 55.12), translated from the Pāli by Bhikkhu Bodhi
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Re: saddhānusāri's and saddhā-vimutta's or faithul theravadins
Indeed...insight to the max...piotr wrote:Hi,
But on a broader plane one can consider them as a good means to the nibbāna:tiltbillings wrote:Within traditional Theravada these recollections, while useful, are not considered as bases for insight.
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Re: saddhānusāri's and saddhā-vimutta's or faithful theravadins
Hi all,
Has anyone read "Faith: Trusting Your Own Deepest Experience" by Sharon Salzberg?
http://books.google.com/books?id=rBIBAAAACAAJ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If yes, what useful have you learned from this book?
Has anyone read "Faith: Trusting Your Own Deepest Experience" by Sharon Salzberg?
http://books.google.com/books?id=rBIBAAAACAAJ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If yes, what useful have you learned from this book?