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Sangha or Teacher: Which is Most Essential?

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Re: Sangha or Teacher: Which is Most Essential?

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There was nothing wrong with anything you said, Peter. It was just that its not good for me to spend too much time at the computer at a single stretch, or to think my illusory self has to always respond immediately to every post aimed in my direction. Its a troublesome habit i've been trying to address. My local world calls, was calling, when we were talking a few hours ago. Wife, children, dish washing, meditation cushion, pillow, bed (in that order)...

It was already past midnight by then.

Your friendship has been a blessing, and your views frequently quite insightful.

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: Sangha or Teacher: Which is Most Essential?

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Re: Sangha or Teacher: Which is Most Essential?

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:37 am

I am not sure where this quote is from but I know it is Ajahn Chah.

he said as a teacher he is like a man watching blind men walking down a path trying to stay in the middle, it is his job as the one with sight to shout left a little or right a little to keep them on the path and not fall of it

it is from memory so I do appologise if it isnt exact or close to the quote, but I feel the essence is there!
basically the teacher isn't telling anyone to do or not to do anything they are there to give advice when it is needed, the teacher can not walk the students path nor can they do anything but give some advice, it is still the students job to see if the advice is good or not, and walk the path.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Sangha or Teacher: Which is Most Essential?

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:50 am

Hi Mike thanks for the exact quote!
one thing though, the same could be said for quoting anything, or anyone! even the Suttas.
quotes are chosen, not necesarily for the reason the person said or wrote something but because it emphasises a point.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Sangha or Teacher: Which is Most Essential?

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Re: Sangha or Teacher: Which is Most Essential?

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:03 am

This is true every monk would need to study to some degree in order to know the teachings, but as with the Book quote it may not of been said because the monk was an Abhiddhamma expert but because his understanding of the Dhamma wasn't becomming refined because he relied on the books, instead of using them as a tool, his Dhamma unlike the Buddhas came from Books.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Sangha or Teacher: Which is Most Essential?

Postby Sanghamitta » Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:11 am

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

Bhikku Bodhi.

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Re: Sangha or Teacher: Which is Most Essential?

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.


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