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Most important texts

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:09 am

What would everyone say the three most important parts (sutta or otherwise) of the canon are, the essential teachings?

I would probably say Mahasatipatthana sutta, the vinaya rules (not read the rest so cant make a decisive decission on the vinaya) and Mahāviyūha Sutta

what would you say were the three most important bits?
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Re: Most important texts

Postby cooran » Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:40 am

Hello Manapa,

I prefer not to say that any part is more important than others - the whole of the Tipitaka is important.
However, these suttas I found to be quite profound, and come back to them time after time.

The Mahanidana Sutta and commentaries (This is Thanissaro's trans. - but I prefer Bhikkhu Bodhi's.)
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

The Mulapariyaya Sutta and commentaries (This is Thanissaro's trans. - but I prefer Bhikkhu Bodhi's.)
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

The Brahmajala Sutta and commentaries (This is Lee Brassington's trans. - but I prefer Bhikkhu Bodhi's).
http://www.leighb.com/dn1.htm

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Re: Most important texts

Postby Sanghamitta » Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:24 am

Just as a matter of curiosity Chris , are there legal or perhaps technical reasons why it is not possible to quote Bhikkhu Bodhis translations ?

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Re: Most important texts

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:24 am

I don't think there is apart from symbolicly, I have seen allot of Bodhis work on google books which are pretty much the complete book or the complete book.
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Re: Most important texts

Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:05 pm

Manapa wrote:What would everyone say the three most important parts (sutta or otherwise) of the canon are, the essential teachings?


Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta (First Sermon, SN 56.11)
Kalama Sutta (AN 3.65, includes the Brahma Viharas too)
Satipaṭṭhāna Sutta (MN 10)

What more do you really need? :tongue:

But seriously, all of the Canon is great, but the above three summarize it all and can take you to Nibbana. Some don't have the time or resources to read all of the approximately 20,000 pages of the Tipitaka. The above three would be a great start and study material for years if one does not have access to the whole Canon.
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Re: Most important texts

Postby cooran » Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:53 pm

Sanghamitta wrote:Just as a matter of curiosity Chris , are there legal or perhaps technical reasons why it is not possible to quote Bhikkhu Bodhis translations ?

:anjali:

Hello Sanghamitta,

The Suttas are not audio clips of a talk with the Buddha. They are the profound teachings of a spiritual genius, and are packed layer on layer with meaning. They were memorised by special groups of bhikkhus to ensure the Teachings were not lost or distorted through the ages, and need to be 'unpacked' by someone skilled in the Dhamma. e.g. Bhikkhu Bodhi's translation and explanation of the Brahmajala Sutta and commentaries runs to 338 pages.

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Re: Most important texts

Postby clw_uk » Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:56 pm

For me they are all important but they are all important at different times




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Re: Most important texts

Postby kidd » Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:07 pm

What could be more important than The Eightfold Path; the path by which everything else can be known?

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Edit: Sorry. The Dhammacakkappavattana-sutta, "Setting in Motion the Wheel of Truth". Thank you, Chris!
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Re: Most important texts

Postby cooran » Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:12 pm

Hello kidd,

This thread is about Most Important Texts.

Which text about the 8 Fold Path are you favouring?

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Re: Most important texts

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:04 pm

:offtopic:

as the one who started this thread I would like to know what everyone thinks the three most important parts of the Tipitaka :focus:
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Re: Most important texts

Postby Kare » Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:40 pm

Manapa wrote::offtopic:

as the one who started this thread I would like to know what everyone thinks the three most important parts of the Tipitaka :focus:


The three most important parts of the Tipitaka? May I suggest Vinayapitaka, Suttapitaka and Abhidhammapitaka? :mrgreen:

Seriously ... personally I would place the Mahasatipatthana among the most important suttas. As for the two others, I just have too many potential candidates ... sorry. And the text I felt was important to me yesterday, is not necessarily the text I feel important to me today. Maybe the Mulapariyayasutta should be among the three. Or perhaps rather the Bahiyasutta from the Udana, which gives the same teaching in a shorter format.

But why just 3 texts?

In cooperation with a small working group I have just finished editing and translating an anthology of important texts for the Buddhist Society of Norway. We chose to include 233 texts in the collection. We could have included a few more, or excluded a few of them, but we feel that these selections cover the main aspect of the Buddha's life and teachings. This book is going to be published later this year.
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Re: Most important texts

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:48 pm

Greetings Manapa,

Do you mean objectively or personally?

Either way, it would probably be these three, read in this order.

1. Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta (SN 56.11)
2. Mahasatipatthana Sutta (DN 22) (although I personally prefer MN 10 - less 'insertions')
3. Kaccayanagotta Sutta (SN 12.15)

Kalama Sutta would have to be there or there abouts too.

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Re: Most important texts

Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:57 pm

Kare wrote:The three most important parts of the Tipitaka? May I suggest Vinayapitaka, Suttapitaka and Abhidhammapitaka? :mrgreen:


:jumping: I was tempted to write that, but you beat me to it.

In cooperation with a small working group I have just finished editing and translating an anthology of important texts for the Buddhist Society of Norway. We chose to include 233 texts in the collection. We could have included a few more, or excluded a few of them, but we feel that these selections cover the main aspect of the Buddha's life and teachings. This book is going to be published later this year.


I assume that it will be in Norwegian? Excellent! The Wheel of Dhamma keeps turning! Much merit!
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Re: Most important texts

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:57 pm

Hi Kare & Retro
you will have to post the bits that were kept in!
but why not both?
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Re: Most important texts

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:58 am

1. The Bhikkhu Paṭimokkha
2. The Satipaṭṭhāna Sutta
3. The Mahāparinibbāna Sutta.

1. Because it was Subhadda's suggestion after the Buddha's demise that the bhikkhus could now do as they wished, and it was this that led to the convening of the First Buddhist Council to preserve the Dhamma while it was still intact. The Vinaya was recited first, as it is the life-blood of the Sāsana, and the bhikkhus are the guardians of the true Dhamma. If the bhikkhus neglect to observe the Vinaya rules, the Buddha's true teachings will soon disappear.

2. Using the right method is crucial to gain insight. The Satipaṭṭhāna Sutta includes all of the important teachings for the correct and diligent practice of mindfulness. There is no way to develop insight without first establishing mindfulness.

3. The Mahāparinibbāna Sutta is a chronology of the last six months of the Buddha's life. In it, he reiterates the essential points of his teachings again and again. For example, take the Dhamma as your dīpa — your guiding light¹ and refuge — take no other refuge. That is, follow a wise and well-behaved teacher by all means, but don't let it become a clique or a cult. Think for yourself, study the texts, and observe the prescribed morality for Buddhists, whether lay or monastic.

¹ Often translated as "refuge," but I think a better translation in this context is "light." The word saraṇa = "refuge" is also used in the same passage:
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Re: Most important texts

Postby Kare » Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:46 pm

Manapa wrote:Hi Kare & Retro
you will have to post the bits that were kept in!
but why not both?


I have been trying to figure out what you meant by this posting, but have to admit that my understanding of English just breaks down here. What did you mean? :?:
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Re: Most important texts

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:17 am

Kare wrote:
Manapa wrote:Hi Kare & Retro
you will have to post the bits that were kept in!
but why not both?


I have been trying to figure out what you meant by this posting, but have to admit that my understanding of English just breaks down here. What did you mean? :?:


it was a duel responce maybe I should of broken it up more how about now?
Hi Kare
you will have to post the bits that were kept in!
Hi Retro
but why not both?
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
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Re: Most important texts

Postby Raga Mala » Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:27 pm

I am surprised no one has so far grouped together the Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta, the Anatta-lukkhana Sutta, and the Aditta-pariyaya Sutta. Bhikkhu Nanamoli groups them together as the "three cardinal discourses of the Buddha."

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Re: Most important texts

Postby Kare » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:20 pm

Manapa wrote:
Kare wrote:
Manapa wrote:Hi Kare & Retro
you will have to post the bits that were kept in!
but why not both?


I have been trying to figure out what you meant by this posting, but have to admit that my understanding of English just breaks down here. What did you mean? :?:


it was a duel responce maybe I should of broken it up more how about now?
Hi Kare
you will have to post the bits that were kept in!



What kind of bits? Kept in where? What are you talking about? ( ... feeling incredibly stupid ...) :toilet:
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Re: Most important texts

Postby BlackBird » Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:31 pm

Kare wrote:
Manapa wrote:it was a duel responce maybe I should of broken it up more how about now?
Hi Kare
you will have to post the bits that were kept in!



What kind of bits? Kept in where? What are you talking about?


Hi Kare

I know I shouldn't speak for another poster, but my interpretation was that it would be nice to see a list of the Suttas that were included in your Anthology.

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