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Ananda's appeal to the Buddha in the Mahaparinibbana Sutta

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Postby Jechbi » Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:29 am

Good points. If it's not a legitimate text passage, then there's not much point in spending too much time with it, I guess.

As an aside, I find it useful to approach these texts from the perspective of how they inform such things as recollection of the Buddha, recollection of the Dhamma, understanding with regard to practice, and so on. In other words, how they are useful as Dhamma instruction rather than whatever else we might wish them to be. In that respect, I would agree that the perspective of rote literalism can just get in the way.

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Re: Ananda's appeal to the Buddha in the Mahaparinibbana Sutta

Postby vinasp » Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:23 pm

Hi everyone,

I find it strange that Walshe has "century", while the translation quoted in the original post refers to "world-period". I have not looked at the Pali yet, but I would guess that the word is "kappa" ( Skr. kalpa).This is an unimaginable period of time , hundreds of thousands of years.
This is part of the larger problem of the miracles of the Buddha. Do we read everything in a literal sense, or not?
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Re: Ananda's appeal to the Buddha in the Mahaparinibbana Sutta

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:28 am

Greetings vinasp,

Yes, the term in question is kappa.

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Postby Jechbi » Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:00 pm

Thank you, Bhante. Would you regard this sutta as a literal, historical account of a real conversation rather than as a fictional construction? Do you think it makes any difference?
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