Spreading Buddhism

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: Spreading Buddhism

Postby genkaku » Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:24 am

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Re: Spreading Buddhism

Postby appicchato » Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:52 am

Around and around we go... :popcorn:

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Re: Spreading Buddhism

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Re: Spreading Buddhism

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:36 am

Or that they dont have a container, and that the absence of a container is superior. There is nothing tentative about the Buddha's Dhamma, because he was a Samasambuddhassa, only about our sometimes faltering realisation of it. I am quite happy to accept the appellation of nitwit.
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Re: Spreading Buddhism

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Re: Spreading Buddhism

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:54 am

Clearly the idea that someone who has in fact been meditating for a good few years is quite happy to call themselves a Buddhist, and does not consider that a concept to be grown out of or abandoned this side of Enlightenment seems to be a matter of strong emotions for you genkaku. I wonder why that might be..Its not as though anyone is conducting raiding parties on other Buddhist groups at the point of a sword. I am puzzled. I am quite happy to persue my Theravadin practice as instructed by the Sangha, and not bother anyone else. And for you to practice according to your lights. Why does that bother you ?
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Re: Spreading Buddhism

Postby genkaku » Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:03 pm

Dear Sanghmitta -- No disrespect intended from here. It's not a matter of what bothers me. It's a matter of what actually works ... which is something you will find out for yourself and I will find out for mine. I just hope neither of us becomes too content.
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Re: Spreading Buddhism

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:12 pm

I have/am finding that for myself. I am content with the Dhamma. I am content that it pretty much represents what the Buddha rediscovered. I am not content with my own realisation of it. Its the work of lifetimes. I have no interest in telling anyone else that they should practice as I do. I am very interested in the views of other people whose practice is also based in the teachings of the elders. And also in the views of those who respect those teachings for what they are.
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Re: Spreading Buddhism

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Re: Spreading Buddhism

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:38 pm

I am reminded of verse 50 of The Dhammapada, in edited form it goes, " Let no one find fault with others, let one see one's own acts done and undone." Which I think shows the model for being an example, and the huge challenge that represents.For many people in the west still we will be the first Buddhist that people would have met..personally I find that a big responsibility and keep my own council unless asked.
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Re: Spreading Buddhism

Postby pink_trike » Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:15 pm

Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

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Re: Spreading Buddhism

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:38 pm

I think that people vary and have different needs. You have described what appeals to you. And I am sure that many would agree and will or are finding new ways or different ways to present the essentials. I dont require any different way. I am not alone in that. I belong to a very traditional group within a very traditional Sangha setting with a large " "congregation" of several hundred people, many of them young. Just a few weeks ago there was an open day and in terms of numbers and in terms of hunger for something substantial, ants to honey would be a fair way to describe the attendence. I think you may be underestimating the fact that people are very different in their needs pink trike.
From the time I first became interested in the Buddhadhamma it was only the traditional forms of that which interested me. I am part of a large Sangha which is represented by a wide cross section of the population in terms of social and income groups etc, and we all have that in common. I would not dream of denying the validity of less traditional ways to present the Dhamma per se. I think it is not asking too much to expect a degree of mutual respect.
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Re: Spreading Buddhism

Postby pink_trike » Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:50 pm

Vision is Mind
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Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

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Re: Spreading Buddhism

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:59 pm

Sorry I did a bit of editing while you were posting yours P T. :thinking:


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Re: Spreading Buddhism

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Re: Spreading Buddhism

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Re: Spreading Buddhism

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:46 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Spreading Buddhism

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Vision is Mind
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Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Re: Spreading Buddhism

Postby Ben » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:45 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Spreading Buddhism

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:55 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine


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