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Dhammapada verse 194

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Dhammapada verse 194

Postby Ben » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:09 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Dhammapada verse 194

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:22 am

Greetings Ben,

As for the term 'sukha', I understood that to refer to 'happiness' so in that respect it seems a good rendition. Either way, the intent and spirit of all the translations seems common.

You may also want to check out the dictionary references I provided in another thread here in the Classical Theravada section.

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Re: Dhammapada verse 194

Postby Will » Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:39 am

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Dhammapada verse 194

Postby christopher::: » Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:48 am

What a wonderful passage and story! I think that just as the Buddha spoke in different ways at different times, depending on his audience, the wisdom he shared might be phrased in different ways also, and still maintain it's core message? The important thing (imo) is that we are able to use the words imparted to guide our chosen community's actions and practice now, here, in the present.

May the Dhamma Wheel become such a community, as Buddha described.

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Re: Dhammapada verse 194

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:52 am

this is from the Link I posted in the Dhamic Stories section it also has a break down of how it is translated there so may be helpful to try doing your own translation with the help of one of the dictionaries I think Retro posted?

http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/DBLM/olcourse/pa ... tha194.htm

Some monks were discussing what is the true happiness. Everybody defined the word in different way and so they realized that happiness could mean completely dissimilar things to different people. For some, money and fame were happiness, for some sensual pleasures, for some good food…
They asked the Buddha what the true happiness really was. He replied them with this verse, saying that only these things constitute real happiness: arising of a Buddha in this world, opportunity to hear the Dharma, unity and harmony amongst monks.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Dhammapada verse 194

Postby Ben » Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:41 am

Thank you all for your responses.

Thanks Ajahn - I was interested to learn of the specificity of the verse to the bhikkhu sangha, Will for providing the historical context - thanks for the cut and paste, Manapa for the website address- I'll check it out!
Chris - discovering the alternative translations made me realise that v.194 resembled my aspirations for Dhamma Wheel!
Thanks also to Retro.

One of these days I'm going to bight the bullet and learn Pali!
Metta

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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