Trying to separate tanha from vedana

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pegembara
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Re: Trying to separate tanha from vedana

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Thanks.

Feelings born of mind contact, and follow thoughts settling in mind contact. Probably the last and hardest to let go of.
"But when a monk is attaining the cessation of perception & feeling, which things cease first: bodily fabrications, verbal fabrications, or mental fabrications?"

"When a monk is attaining the cessation of perception & feeling, friend Visakha, verbal fabrications cease first, then bodily fabrications, then mental fabrications."

....directed thought & evaluation are verbal fabrications. Perceptions & feelings are mental; these are things tied up with the mind.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
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Re: Trying to separate tanha from vedana

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pegembara wrote:Thanks.

Feelings born of mind contact, and follow thoughts settling in mind contact. Probably the last and hardest to let go of.
"But when a monk is attaining the cessation of perception & feeling, which things cease first: bodily fabrications, verbal fabrications, or mental fabrications?"

"When a monk is attaining the cessation of perception & feeling, friend Visakha, verbal fabrications cease first, then bodily fabrications, then mental fabrications."

....directed thought & evaluation are verbal fabrications. Perceptions & feelings are mental; these are things tied up with the mind.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
Yeah, I think so. It seems much more subtle than the comparatively gross 5 cords of sensual pleasure.
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Re: Trying to separate tanha from vedana

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Let the mind appreciate your tea and allow the mind to learn with you about this idea of separating pleasure and comment. The thing is not really to harm yourself from reducing pleasure but to learn what pleasure is, if you don't know you will come back desesperately to pleasure in a more unbalanced way. It should be a learnt lesson from your experience about this tea. It takes time to understand different kinds of pleasure and their nature but if you don't try it you never know. Best to be fed up rather than excited to be fed up.
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Re: Trying to separate tanha from vedana

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In seeing, only seeing.
In smelling, only smelling.
In tasting, only tasting.
In feeling, only feeling.

Watch yourself in this way from the moment you wake up to the moment you finish the tea, and perceive the relinquishment that you feel from this activity: all in a detached/equanimous manner.
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Re: Trying to separate tanha from vedana

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Trying to separate thanha from vedana

This is real practical of Dhamma application.This covers three links in Patichcha Samuppada.

Salayathana paccya thassa.
thassa paccaya vedana.
vedana paccaya thanha.

The best way I think is to atomize the steps involve.
One can start like this.

Experiment - 1 Tasting first sip.

In the act of holding cup - See the intention and the act.
In touching rim of cup with lips -See the intention and the act
In first sip of tea - See the mind and the act
In touching the tea with tongue -Stop in midway and see the feeling and action of tongue, lining of mouth
In holding tea on the tongue - try to see the action and feeling of pleasant sensation.

Experiment - 2 Tasting second sip

Can you stop at first sip and Investigate state of mind? Do follow the steps for the 2 sip. And so on.

I would like to see results of this experiment.Try to relate principles of Dhamma with experiment confine to above links only.I would like to advise to try this after a short session of Bawana for more effective results.

With Metta
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