Preparing The Mind For Anapanasati By Raising Joy

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Preparing The Mind For Anapanasati By Raising Joy

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:00 am

Greetings,

A nice little Dhamma talk to help prepare for our meditation practice.

Preparing The Mind For Anapanasati By Raising Joy
Dhamma Talk by Ven Ajahn Brahmavamso
http://www.metta.lk/english/joy.htm

"It’s a very good thing to keep in mind and to remember that if the mind is feeling tired, depressed, angry, upset, then it isn't really a sort of mind which can be worked and used to gain this peaceful, quiet state of mind"

Metta,
Retro. :)
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If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


Exalted in mind, just open and clearly aware, the recluse trained in the ways of the sages:
One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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Re: Preparing The Mind For Anapanasati By Raising Joy

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:16 am

"It’s a very good thing to keep in mind and to remember that if the mind is feeling tired, depressed, angry, upset, then it isn't really a sort of mind which can be worked and used to gain this peaceful, quiet state of mind"


But on the other hand, all that is good stuff to mindfully watch as part of one's vipassana practice.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

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Re: Preparing The Mind For Anapanasati By Raising Joy

Postby Jechbi » Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:15 am

:goodpost: x2
thanks for the link retro
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Re: Preparing The Mind For Anapanasati By Raising Joy

Postby Ben » Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:36 am

I on the other hand believe that if one truly concentrates on the rise and fall of the breath, and develops sufficient concentration, akusala mindstates cease to be the focus of one's attention.
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Re: Preparing The Mind For Anapanasati By Raising Joy

Postby Jechbi » Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:27 pm

That's true, too. Maybe it comes down to a personal judgment about what level of concentration is necessary to begin effective insight meditation, and how deep one wishes (or is able) to go in any particular session. Of course on a retreat it's best to follow the instructions of the teacher.
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Re: Preparing The Mind For Anapanasati By Raising Joy

Postby christopher::: » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:18 am

retrofuturist wrote:Preparing The Mind For Anapanasati By Raising Joy
Dhamma Talk by Ven Ajahn Brahmavamso
http://www.mettanet.org/english/joy.htm

"It’s a very good thing to keep in mind and to remember that if the mind is feeling tired, depressed, angry, upset, then it isn't really a sort of mind which can be worked and used to gain this peaceful, quiet state of mind"



Thanks for the link, Retro!!

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Re: Preparing The Mind For Anapanasati By Raising Joy

Postby puthujjana » Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:04 pm

the Buddha wrote:When he is glad, rapture is born in him; in one who is rapturous, the body becomes tranquil; one whose body is tranquil feels pleasure; in one who feels pleasure, the mind becomes concentrated.

MN 7 (and many other suttas)


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Re: Preparing The Mind For Anapanasati By Raising Joy

Postby zavk » Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:53 am

christopher::: wrote:
retrofuturist wrote:Preparing The Mind For Anapanasati By Raising Joy
Dhamma Talk by Ven Ajahn Brahmavamso
http://www.mettanet.org/english/joy.htm

"It’s a very good thing to keep in mind and to remember that if the mind is feeling tired, depressed, angry, upset, then it isn't really a sort of mind which can be worked and used to gain this peaceful, quiet state of mind"



Thanks for the link, Retro!!

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Hey Retro

The link is an unused domain. Is there a typo?
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Re: Preparing The Mind For Anapanasati By Raising Joy

Postby cooran » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:53 am

Hello zavk,

Maybe this one?
http://www.metta.lk/english/joy.htm

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Re: Preparing The Mind For Anapanasati By Raising Joy

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:57 am

Greetings,

zavk wrote:The link is an unused domain. Is there a typo?


No, it must have elapsed. I never type these links out... I always copy them straight from the URL line.

Metta,
Retro. :)
If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


Exalted in mind, just open and clearly aware, the recluse trained in the ways of the sages:
One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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Re: Preparing The Mind For Anapanasati By Raising Joy

Postby Jechbi » Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:34 pm

Chris wrote:Maybe this one?
http://www.metta.lk/english/joy.htm

Yep, that's the article.
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Re: Preparing The Mind For Anapanasati By Raising Joy

Postby BlackBird » Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:30 am

I know i've been spamming it up recently, but I'd just like to add some weight to this (however small).

Recently I've been doing some 'preliminary' metta, before moving onto anapanasati, really focusing on moving that metta outwards, towards specific people and then out to the world in general, one can't help but smile, it definately brings a little pīti out to play, and it makes focus so much easier. For me it's been the like the difference of filling the car up with 91 unleaded, and filling it up with 98 super premium octane.

Hope you all have a Mettaful day.
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'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." - MN. 70 Kitagiri Sutta
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Re: Preparing The Mind For Anapanasati By Raising Joy

Postby appicchato » Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:40 am

BlackBird wrote:For me it's been the like the difference of filling the car up with 91 unleaded, and filling it up with 98 super premium octane.

Can't 'knock' that...
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Re: Preparing The Mind For Anapanasati By Raising Joy

Postby BlackBird » Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:48 pm

I suppose raising joy before moving onto anapanasati, is a bit like tuning the guitar to play the song.

:bow: --> Metta --> :D --> :meditate: --> :bow:

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Re: Preparing The Mind For Anapanasati By Raising Joy

Postby gavesako » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:47 am

Some interesting ideas in this text:

http://www.chibs.edu.tw/mukherjee/artic ... l/2001.htm

And here is a longer one called
On the Earliest Path to the Tathāgatahood:
A Study in Nikāya Traditions
Biswadeb Mukherjee
Researcher,Chung-Hwa Institute of Buddhist Studies

http://www.chibs.edu.tw/publication/chb ... bj1334.htm
Bhikkhu Gavesako
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)

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