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Re: Islam

Postby Ben » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:19 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Islam

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:42 pm

Greetings,

King Asoka was cool. 8-)

Thanks Ben.

Metta,
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Re: Islam

Postby Khalil Bodhi » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:58 pm

Sadhu! Sadhu! Sadhu!
To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind — this is the teaching of the Buddhas.
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Re: Islam

Postby pink_trike » Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:29 pm

What Asoka says if very valuable and skillful advise. However, it should also be noted that religion as we know it today is very different than it was during his reign. We live in a declining time full of corruption and worldly obsessions - a time when even religion turns sour. Turning a blind eye to the negative effects of religion as it is now understood, institutionalized, and exploited shouldn't be ignored. Asoka asks that we don't compare in order to elevate our own religion, and that any needed critical analysis of religions should be done respectfully and presumably, honestly. The idea that all religions are good and above criticism is a classic case of idiot compassion (ineffective, unskillful) and denial.
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Re: Islam

Postby Senex » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:16 am

Words exist because of meaning; once you've gotten the meaning, you can forget the words. Where can I find a man who has forgotten words so I can have a word with him?

Zhuangzi, chapter 26
(B. Watson, The Complete Works of Chuang-tzu, 302)

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Re: Islam

Postby Ben » Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:10 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Islam

Postby Mawkish1983 » Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:40 am

Rock on :) I'm glad you're watching this thread Ben et al.

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Re: Islam

Postby Individual » Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:53 am

The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: Islam

Postby Individual » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:01 am

The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: Islam

Postby cooran » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:42 am

Hello all,

Let's not have broad sweeping statements about Muslims in other countries in past years.
Let's talk about your own experience with Muslims in your community.

I have known Muslim friends whole families.
I have been invited to Muslim wedding celebrations.
I have had many meals in their homes.
I know an Iman - brother of one of my friends, who works tirelessly to institute a school system in Australia along the lines of the Catholic School System, so the young do not have to go overseas for an education and be influenced by those unknown to their parents and local communities.

If you don't have any friendships and long lasting contact with individual Muslims, their families and their local community - well, then ... your opinions gained from the internet or news "reports" means nothing much at all.

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Re: Islam

Postby Sanghamitta » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:05 am

I think its sad day if our view of a whole diverse group is conditioned by fear engendered by the right-wing press, who in turn are following military agendas which centre around oil and other natural resources. It a matter to be regretted if students of the Buddhadhamma allow themselves to be influenced by irrational fear of their Muslim neighbours.
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Re: Islam

Postby Individual » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:07 am

The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: Islam

Postby Ben » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:08 am

Well said, Chris!

When Quinn was young, he attended family-based day care with a young muslim family in the inner suburbs of Melbourne. Ali was a Libian with an Aussie wife who converted and they had three young kids, two boys and a girl. They were ultra-orthodox which meant that I couldn't speak to Ali's wife, Sharon, or their three year-old-daughter who insisted on holding my hand anyway when their kids came over to play with ours.
they were extremely generous and cared for my children as though they were their own.
If people just spent some time getting to know muslims in their community they would realise that they aren't any different to ourselves.
Kind regards

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Islam

Postby clw_uk » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:35 pm

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Re: Islam

Postby clw_uk » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:36 pm

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Re: Islam

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Re: Islam

Postby fivebells » Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:44 pm

Conversely, you see a lot of Christians using those same violent, hateful images to justify violent, hateful behavior. Same thing with Islam.

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Re: Islam

Postby Jechbi » Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:51 pm

A lot? That might be overstating it.

You do, however, see a lot of Christians and Muslims engaging in humanitarian efforts, being good neighbors, helping others, and otherwise using their faith as a basis for loving actions.

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Re: Islam

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Re: Islam

Postby Senex » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:22 pm

I went to a Catholic school myself and am glad my parents did get me to go because their overall "deliverance of knowledge" (drawing a blank for better words) is much better than the standard of a public school. Don't even have to be Christian to attend.
Words exist because of meaning; once you've gotten the meaning, you can forget the words. Where can I find a man who has forgotten words so I can have a word with him?

Zhuangzi, chapter 26
(B. Watson, The Complete Works of Chuang-tzu, 302)


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