alan wrote:It's bundoc. A Tagolog word. I lived in the Philippines for awhile. It means the jungle, the woods, the mountain realms, depending on how it is used. As for Jhana, it is highly unlikely you have been there.
Well, that's my take on it. Learning to have the mindfulness right there, in front (which, really, is in your conscious awareness) is what the suttas are about [in my opinion, don't forget that my opinion is just and only that, opinion]. You start with following the breathing and when the "nimitta" appears, when you notice you have settled, when mind and body, breath and discursive thinking have become calm and tranquil, then it is easier to shift, to let your awareness shift to that obvious place "in front". Settled there, it matures, ripens, lets go, recognizes impermanence, dukkha and the impossibility of a separately existing "self".
But now I prefer to meditate and use the words only so far as directing my meditation effort
I am not likely to post much outside of this mediation forum.
When I read about this 'around the mouth' stuff in Bodhi's translation (in the notes) I kinda laughed.
Ben wrote:When I read about this 'around the mouth' stuff in Bodhi's translation (in the notes) I kinda laughed.
Please keep in mind that Venerable Bodhi is very highly regarded as a translator and teacher. I'm sure his notes explains why he translated the particular instruction the way he did. Also, making the area around the mouth/nostrils as the platform for developing the awareness of respiration is a long-established technique. It might be different but not necessarily inferior!
"There was the case where Sariputta — quite secluded from sensuality, secluded from unskillful qualities — entered & remained in the first jhana: rapture & pleasure born of seclusion, accompanied by directed thought & evaluation. Whatever qualities there are in the first jhana — directed thought, evaluation, rapture, pleasure, singleness of mind, contact, feeling, perception, intention, consciousness,2 desire, decision, persistence, mindfulness, equanimity, & attention — he ferreted them out one after another. Known to him they arose, known to him they remained, known to him they subsided. He discerned, 'So this is how these qualities, not having been, come into play. Having been, they vanish.' He remained unattracted & unrepelled with regard to those qualities, independent, detached, released, dissociated, with an awareness rid of barriers. He discerned that 'There is a further escape,' and pursuing it there really was for him.
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