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Does gaining an insight knowledge cause mental shock? - Dhamma Wheel

Does gaining an insight knowledge cause mental shock?

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Does gaining an insight knowledge cause mental shock?

Postby smokey » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:46 pm

I have a question regarding gaining insight knowledge. My question is this: Does gaining an insight knowledge cause mental shock? What I mean by mental shock is flash in consciousness. For an example when you have this train of thought: Reality is an illusion. Then your mind is shocked and it produces a flash in consciousness.. Of course I consider reality real. But before when I thought that it is an illusion, I experienced such sensation when I had such a train of thought and was convinced of such belief. Thank you in advance for your answers.

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Re: Does gaining an insight knowledge cause mental shock?

Postby Rui Sousa » Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:02 pm

I believe that, sometimes, for a moment there is some excitement when something is known.

But I also believe that the development of equanimity tends to make this moments less intense.
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Postby mikenz66 » Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:03 am

Hi Catmoon,

This is getting a little off topic, but the photistic thing you mention sounds like meditation nimittas ("signs") which can appear to be visual (or other) experiences.

I thought Smokey was talking more about a sense of disorientation and "wow" than that sort of thing.

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Re: Does gaining an insight knowledge cause mental shock?

Postby smokey » Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:32 pm

Mental shock is not a visual experience and thus you do not see anything, it is a metaphorical flash, flash in consciousness. Such an experience occurs when one has train of thought in mental activity that is very surprising. For an example when one thinks of a reality on a way that he has never thought before. But perhaps such an experience only occurs because of thinking and not of gaining insight knowledge.

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Re: Does gaining an insight knowledge cause mental shock?

Postby Sanghamitta » Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:01 pm

People experience the results of meditation in various ways according to a number of factors. There is no right way, only the way that it will take for you. There are commonalities, but also differences. A teacher is a great help in sorting things out. Pointing out the way forward, making suggestions to enhance progress sorting out the difference at times between insight and the arising of psychological disturbances due to sankharas.
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Re: Does gaining an insight knowledge cause mental shock?

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Re: Does gaining an insight knowledge cause mental shock?

Postby Ben » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:12 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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Re: Does gaining an insight knowledge cause mental shock?

Postby pink_trike » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:33 am

Yes, there can be a period of shock as insight reorders perception/senses...sometimes this reordering can even be blissful or disorienting. On occasion, it can be experienced as if a flash of light in the dark, or a gradual sense of more light (less dark), or like a light bulb going on suddenly. There can also be tingling in the body -as if an electrical shock. The body/mind has a sophisticated electrical system that sometimes goes nova as an insight-triggered aha! dharma (with a little "d") explodes into appearance. As Ben points out...best to just note these appearances and experiences and not be enchanted by them. Just more fireworks and potential for distraction and dissatisfaction.
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Re: Does gaining an insight knowledge cause mental shock?

Postby jcsuperstar » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:08 am

do you mean like an eureka moment or shock like when you see your buddy's head explode from a bullet hitting it? im confused
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Postby pink_trike » Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:26 am

Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
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Clear Light is Union
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Re: Does gaining an insight knowledge cause mental shock?

Postby cooran » Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:59 am

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Re: Does gaining an insight knowledge cause mental shock?

Postby rowyourboat » Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:30 pm

I think the shock comes if the insight is very different from the world view you held previously. However I have seen many people who get insight without 'shocks' simply because they have a lot of faith in the Buddhas words prior to gaining insight -so it comes as no surprise to them.

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