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The fear of death

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Re: The fear of death

Postby BlackBird » Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:45 am

Thanks Pink, it was a really moving story.

Indeed it is so wrong that we sweep death under the carpet. I remember when I was a child, maybe 4 years old I asked my mum if I was going to die. She responded that it's not something I would have to think about for a very long time.

That seems to typify societal response. "Don't worry about it now" "Don't think about it"
But when does one think about it... When do we consider the truth of life? When it comes knocking at the door and we realise we're not ready?

I doubt we'd waste our time on half of the meaningless activities we fill our day with, if death we're to be made more apparent. For what point is there in amassing fortunes, posessions and land when you can really only borrow in life, you cannot own. :shrug:


:anjali: to you all

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Re: The fear of death

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Re: The fear of death

Postby dragonwarrior » Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:40 am

This topic reminds me of a preach in the Vihara by a Bhikkhu:
"Many of us still fear of death. Actually we have been born and died too much times -that we would never know, but in reality we are still not ready to face death because we are still tied to this world, anxious about the future (life after death), and we still have a lot of worldly desires. But if we go through this life, strive on with heedfulness, always grateful for our life and always do good things, then life would be more meaningful and hopefully there is no regret in the future."

*pardon my english.
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Re: The fear of death

Postby alex jansen » Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:56 am

There are those who actually want death to come quickly. People desperate to avoid the unpleasantness of life like terminally ill patients who no longer want to burden anyone, or those who die for honor and glory like kamikaze pilots, including those that did Sep 11. Regardless of motive, they can and often do hit that exit button. The desire for death may not seem apparent in main street USA but take a drive in the streets of Afghanistan, Sudan and places like that and the picture changes - a lot.

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Re: The fear of death

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:19 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: The fear of death

Postby pink_trike » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:25 am

Modern civilization is intoxicated with an unconscious death wish.
Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Re: The fear of death

Postby Ben » Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:56 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: The fear of death

Postby Ben » Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:14 am

Absolutely.
Thanks for the clarification!
metta

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: The fear of death

Postby alex jansen » Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:39 am

Interesting views. I haven't met a suicide bomber or anyone who wants to be euthanized but I've met plenty of people who say, "Well, we all die of something sooner or later so... down the hatch!" before they down a fugu (poisonous blowfish) sashimi or for that matter, clean out a pack of ciggies a day.

While they may be joking, some people seem almost resigned to death when they feed addiction and that includes adrenaline junkies. Had a friend who loved base jumping because it made him feel "alive." He had a broken leg to vouch for it. You might have seen the bumper stickers, "Give me <your choice of thrill> or give me death!" Strange, this penchant to tempt death as a means of feeling alive.

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Re: The fear of death

Postby BlackBird » Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:06 am

We have a lot of suicides here in Dunedin.

When I was at highschool there was maybe 3 or 4 people that I knew personally who committed sucide, one in particular is etched into my mind: A friend from primary school (who went to my high school) went down a bad path, got obsessed with World War 2 and assault rifles and the likes. In a fit of rage one day, after arguing with his father, he got his father's gun and shot him dead, then turned the gun on himself.

That intoxication with permanence had vanished with that friend of mine. After that, Avici was no longer a concept, it all become quite a real contemplation. I think it was soon after this actually that I really knew for sure I wanted to be a monk.
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'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: The fear of death

Postby pink_trike » Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:10 am

Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Re: The fear of death

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:24 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: The fear of death

Postby sundara » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:50 pm

We fear death but what resonated in me was a quote saying that life is darkened by aging and smothered by death. The reason we fear death as Buddha said is because of being attached to sensual pleasures, to the body, to have done evil things and not realising liberation.

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Re: The fear of death

Postby pink_trike » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:12 pm

I think the fear of death arises from never having been awake to life.
Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Disclaimer: I'm a non-religious practitioner of Theravada, Mahayana/Vajrayana, and Tibetan Bon Dzogchen mind-training.


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