Abandoning hindrances

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Brizzy » Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:05 pm

Manapa wrote:-
"Can you provide references to this? Jhanas are not developed before midfulness in my understanding, and the foundations are at times said to be one and the same as the jhana levels but that doesn't mean mindfulness is a secondry development, or a second pase of the practice, which would go against the suttas I know."
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Yes I could have worded it better. Obviously mindfulness is always first, and in abandoning the hindrances mindfulness is paramount. I should have said Satipatthana begins by abandoning the hindrances from where the four foundations via the jhanas can be discerned. you seem to know your suttas, so as it is late I wont give references (unless somebody insists :thinking: )

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Abandoning hindrances

Postby Brizzy » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:03 am

Hi tiltbillings

I swore off posting on this forum, because of the countless and ridiculous editing of my posts............so here I am back again. :smile:

You say that momentary concentration is not out of line with the suttas. Where in the four Nikayas, the real heart of the Buddhas teachings, is momentary concentration taught? Please, please, please give me references and I promise I will rush off to read them.

Metta :smile:

(If its not in the Nikayas - its not the Dhamma)

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